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    Posted: 23 Sep 16 at 5:38pm
you don't need TWO makers... in the peoples ('democratic') republic there can only ever be ONE.  We can all have a sailing Trabbant then... and it will be so wonderful ... and fair for absolutely everyone. 

Imagine - no more complaints or moans either.... all that sort of stuff will be outlawed as well Stern Smile    

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We've already got one, it's called the "L@ser"  Evil Smile
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We would all be sailing something like the Water Wag, wouldn't we? After all, it was the original one design. No need for anything else.
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Originally posted by Rupert

We would all be sailing something like the Water Wag, wouldn't we? After all, it was the original one design. No need for anything else.


There is much to be said for racing old one designs.
but if the Water Wag had been an international class at the time, can you imagine the process of getting these changes approved:

In 1900 a new design which differs from the earlier design by being 1'-3" longer, having a transom and flying a jib, which was designed by James (or Maimie) Doyle from Kingstown was introduced.[2] The new design was subject to some minor adjustments of sheer line and rudder size over the years 1901-1902 before the design was finalised.
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Originally posted by RS400atC

... can you imagine the process of getting these changes approved:.


People are much the same now as they were then. I've seen correspondance between Uffa Fox and the Royal Canoe club about rule changes back in the 1930s, and it was all very familiar territory.
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Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 
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I'm just about to change clubs form one on a water board reservoir to one on a 'flash'. The former don't allow dogs on site, or even on the footpaths surrounding the lake. If my non-sailing wife is to spend an afternoon watching me sail she will only do so if she can bring the dog :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 16 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by JimC

Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 

The reason inland water is expensive is often that sailing has to compete with trout fishing, which generates serious money.
Maybe sport just exists to use up all our spare money? If all boats were half the price, I'd buy a more expenssive one....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Sep 16 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by JimC

Thing is the big clubs are the most expensive, and so are the big classes. Add to that increased travel time to fewer clubs and you're pushing an awful lot of people out of the sport.

Big inland clubs  are often on reservoirs and the water companies   being  (ex)public sector love their rules and regs , compared tothe attitude taken by the aggegate companies who are quite happy to turn over the vast majority of  responsibilities for management of what is their 'waste'  ... 

The reason inland water is expensive is often that sailing has to compete with trout fishing, which generates serious money.
Maybe sport just exists to use up all our spare money? If all boats were half the price, I'd buy a more expenssive one....


 interestingly  where sailing clubs have become the master lesee  for a water they don;t seek to exclude others ... comared to some of the fishing 'clubs' ...
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Not universally true. My club leases the fishing rights for our Thames Water reservoir and prohibit fishing.
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