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transient 
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 Topic: Expensive Sports...Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 2:39pm |
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Educated guess would suggest that the initial costs would be about £5000 for a novice couple to get into sailing with a second hand boat.
Crewing position is not seen as attractive as wiggling the stick. The crew are still treated as second class sailors by many in the sport. Many clubs still don't publish the crew names in their results. . |
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turnturtle
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and is that likely to change if we all go out and buy Ents or iCons or whatever they are to be called by the Seppos.... hunting for crews on club Facebook groups whilst trying to manage yours and their duty swaps on that other sh*t site we all use now. What's the alternative ... picking up adult newbies off of courses only to be stitched come winter time and they've all ticked 'sailing' on their bucket list? And let's not go started on the other talent pool: 'grooming' crews out of youth classes..... shall we call this Operation Yewtree just for the irony? It genuinely wouldn't surprise me to find out that parents would ask to CRB check boat owners these days before Amelia and Tarquin are allowed out to play.... times have certainly changed folks, no point harking back.
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 3:28pm |
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What's the alternative ... picking up adult newbies off of courses only to be stitched come winter time and they've all ticked 'sailing' on their bucket list?
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Well we could all just argue about PY over and over and over (and over) again... I think you're way off about the adult beginners. My local kayak clubs racing section was equally sceptical about running an adult begin racing course (it's a sport with almost identical demographic problems and expensive, difficult to use kit). A year on we have over 50% of the original course still racing and a similar hit ratio for the second course. Probably the biggest influx of new people they've seen for a very long time. Sailing courses are pretty expensive - people have to be pretty motivated to do that. I suspect they then get put off when they realise how inward looking and disinterested in beginners most clubs are. |
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transient
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 3:28pm |
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??? The answer to my 2 points is simple: Many need to show a little more respect for the crew. and Those that don't need to feckin well publish crew names in the results. Not sure why you over complicated your response 
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turnturtle
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 3:44pm |
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indeed - I think you could be very right. I'd be interested to see the sign up rate and retention rate (3 years +) from adult beginner courses. I suspect the latter is mere snip of the former, but hey, I'm completely guessing here...... perhaps there's someone who actually knows lurking here?
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 3:54pm |
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But isn't that the lack of places (i.e. crewing positions) to go after the course?
Beginners buying their own boats and trailing round way behind the club fleet is - unsusprisingly - demotivating for them in many cases,
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turnturtle
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 4:00pm |
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catch 22 I guess..... unfortunately there is a distinct lack of boats which work in single handed and double handed mode with sufficient enjoyment in both.
It's one of the lures of the 16ft cats.... high performance, but accessible single handers, or good rides for newbies on the front too.
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DiscoBall
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 4:19pm |
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Not really great from the expense side of things though...
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 4:24pm |
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Agreed about crewing positions attractiveness but I'm contemplating moving up the front of the Spice and letting my crew take over stick wiggling duties to see if we work together better that way (we have very little time to practice together and even less racing). I'll be tactician, mainsail trimmer, spinnaker handler and moving ballast, he can just point it and concentrate on keeping it in the groove. I disagree tha £5k is entry level money though, a beginner could easily buy a used boat, all the sailing kit and join a club and still have change from £1000 if they are happy with an old Ent/L@ser or WHY and not too precious about having the latest carbon/kevlar/foam sandwich super light boat from whatever is currently the flavour of the month.
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transient
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 5:17pm |
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As for the costs, I did say a "novice couple". My costs were calculated using the governing body prescribed method as in "Get Afloat"
2 handed Boat that works, not an old tub. RYA 1&2 course Kit for hot and cold Membership Boat park fees Insurance. On top of that there would be expected duties at the club, so sooner or later there would be Power boat course and Safety boat course. what is and what isn't expensive is purely subjective anyhow. |
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