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iGRF 
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 Topic: Tiller GripPosted: 22 Sep 16 at 7:41pm |
I still use underhand grip up wind in certain circumstances, there are no absolutes racing windsurfers you just do what it takes to beat the other b**tards.. 
As for SI's I've met, they're often great at boat handling but they don't have the first idea how to race, wandering all over the show, overstanding, leaving miles of room at marks, never on the start line never mind the right end and as for spotting shifts.... |
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Roger
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 4:00pm |
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To be honest I've never heard the tern "frying pan grip" although I've heard of the "briefcase grip" which is probably the same.
I know a lot of the top guys will use the briefcase grip in light winds, that is tiller aft of them as they swear it causes less involuntary movement and minor use of the tiller is just that, very small movement, as said above you will also see them place the tiller on the deck to stop any movement. However my understanding is that as the wind builds and you start to hike then the across the chest, dagger grip as you describe, is used by most, as the wind builds you are likely to be altering the mainsheet tension much more, and occasionally large amounts of it, so 2 hands for sheeting are required. There are of course exceptions to this, I14 for example with both crew on the wire and the helm is just steering as the crew has the mainsheet, this gives more options as to how to hold the tiller. However at the end of the day you do what feels right for you, and what allows you to do the other things in the boat smoothly, you can't be thinking about how to hold the tiller when your head and eyes should be out of the boat. |
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 1:47pm |
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All the official instructor johnnies seem to attach considerable importance to such things
When I did a windsurfing instructor course back in the mists I was castigated relentlessly for an underhand front grip. Having raced Raceboards with modest success for more years than care to relate, I maintain it is better in many circumstances. When I learned to sail dinghies (mid '60s) there was no fuss, you just held the tiller in whatever way felt comfortable.
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iGRF
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 12:36pm |
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I didn't realise you had to hold it in any specific way and for the life of me I can't remember which way I think it differs depending on which tack I'm on then if it's light I just have the knob on the end between the two index fingers.
You do have to have it sort of dagger when you need to grab rope to sheet in hard I know that but then you switch back don't you? Is it important? |
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transient
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 10:05am |
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In the L2 I use dagger unless I'm sitting in and then frying pan. I have an old Ent and I really couldn't face transom sheeting so I converted it to sheet off the boom, dagger most of the time.
I help out occasionally with adult learners in club Visions. The tiller & extension are way too short to get the trim right, presumably made like this so it all passes the falls. Frying pan grip with that awful (IMO) boat.
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Do Different
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 7:37am |
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Purely my own observational comments.
Surely across chest or over shoulder is a dynamic thing depending on the position of the helm on different points of sail and subtle differences of the geometry between boats.
When using a dagger grip, flicking between over aft shoulder and across the chest requires only an effortless rotation. With a centre sheeting point pushing the extension in front of you as you cross the boat can be smoothly accomplished without any changes of grip. |
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Oatsandbeans
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Posted: 22 Sep 16 at 7:37am |
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In 470s in light-medium conditions the frying pan grip is often used as the helm can put the extension on the side tank and "clamp" it there thus minmising helm movements. When it is across the body any movement of the helm tends to move the helm which is not fast.
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 11:21pm |
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So do you hold the tiller extension across your chest at all times or behind you (aft of your body in boat-speak)? The Olympic Laser sailors all seem to hold the tiller across their chests whatever the wind strength or point of sailing?
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Neptune
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Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 10:44pm |
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Dagger in my Musto unless the wind is very light and I am trapezing high then I switch to a frying pan
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 21 Sep 16 at 8:51pm |
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Will try all these things. I do know the "flat is fast" mantra, I'm just not as good at it as I''d like (combined with a less than optimal crew). Hopefully that will improve when I buy whatever singlehander I choose.
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