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    Posted: 28 Jun 16 at 6:34pm
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I take rampiril, Cardicor, atoravastin and aspirin. Will this get me banned?


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so sailors do dope..(shocking!..): ......One athlete, Pavel Sozykin (470 helm), was denied eligibility, based upon the findings of the McLaren Investigation Report
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jul 16 at 12:08pm
Plenty of Olympic-level windsurfers smoked dope..... whoops, sorry, I meant they went downstairs to check to see how the repairs to their board were going.

It's a bit surprising in view of the intense physical toll that unrestricted pumping takes, although unrestricted pumping in Olympic classes was a bit after my time so in those cases I'm only going off what I heard, rather than what I saw, smelled and didn't inhale.


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Does anyone know what Pavel Sozykin was found to have taken? None of the reports I've found contain that information.
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I had a reasonable read of the MacLaren report, and my impression was that the issue is that there were a lot of urine sample bottles where the contents had been substituted and the real sample discarded. As I read it they were doing a sort of test before the officially recorded test, and if it came up as showing something prohibited they substituted a new sample, and did the same with the B sample. AIUI they had a means of opening and closing the B samples without leaving obvious evidence that the seal had been disturbed.

If that was the case with Mr Sozykin then there'd be no record of what might have been in his sample.
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Thanks, so the Maclaren report says of itself:

"The third paragraph of the IP’s mandate, identifying athletes who benefited from
the manipulations, has not been the primary focus of the IP’s work. The IP
investigative team has developed evidence identifying dozens of Russian
athletes who appear to have been involved in doping. The compressed timeline
of the IP investigation did not permit compilation of data to establish an antidoping
rule violation. The time limitation required the IP to deem this part of
the mandate of lesser priority. The IP concentrated on the other four directives of
the mandate."

"Appear to" seems a weak basis for a ban on an individual sailor and another thing that bothers me is a 470 helm would seem about the least likely to benefit from the common forms of doping.

Are we in the realms of "something must be done, this is something, therefore it must be done"?


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Don't forget WADA had recommended the entire Russian team in all sports be banned.

All I know from my reading of the Maclaren report - available on the net - is that one unnamed Russian sailor was identified as appearing to have been involved in the process. Beyond that I don't believe I'm qualified to comment, but I bet that the people involved in the decision have seen a lot more evidence and have studied the issue a lot more carefully than I have.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote blueboy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jul 16 at 12:37pm
I'm not in favour of collective punishments and WADA should be ashamed of itself for that recommendation.

But while the Maclaren report establishes systematic concealment of positive results, the paragraph I quoted above indicates it is not a sound basis for individual bans.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Jul 16 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by blueboy

  and another thing that bothers me is a 470 helm would seem about the least likely to benefit from the common forms of doping.




Not at all, a 470 helm needs to be able to remain very lightweight whilst being able to pump the main to max effort with the free pumping rule.  Common forms of doping in sport are strength and power without increasing size, or even whilst trying to cut size. 

I'd be shocked if there was actually any doping in sailing, especially planned methodical doping.  However, to think that the gains don't apply to sailing is to glaze over the range of effects that you can choose to gain from various drugs. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 16 at 2:31pm
IOC have been spineless dumping this onto the individual sports ...

Russia have had a state sponsored doping programme and the IOC should have followed WADAs recommendation.

When the IOC dodged it all the sports federations should have just banned them all.
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