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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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At your weight and location description - surely Streaker / Solo or if you get a sorted one with a suitable rig I'd not reject a Phantom at 80kg. Plenty of used choice at all budget levels as well ... if 'not for you' after a season or so you can move on with low depreciation impact. All have centreboards as opposed to daggers and all can perfom very nicely in restricted waters ...... lots of rocker and quick to tack is what you need to work every shift on 'wind interupted' locations.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Hi,
I think a fair few guys like to have a new boat every year. Of course some people's circumstances change too. Plenty of reasons for sale - get any seller's reasons. I think that the North is now represented by Sailing bits so he may be able to get you a test sail. But like every one else I would recommend sailing everything, ideally in representative conditions, then make the call. Cheers Dan |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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That's situation normal for every class. I don't think you really find out whether a boat suits you until you've lived with it a while, but with the more established classes people tend to try the waters with second hand boats so the turnover's not as obvious as it is with new classes. |
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Papa Smurf ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 16 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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I've always liked the Solution but, as you say, you don't see many about. We used to have four of them at our club but they have all faded away over the last couple of years. The class seems to have lost momentum, perhaps because of the arrival of the 'Zero and Aero.
The ex Solution sailors are now in Solo's and a Streaker - as appropriate to their weight :-) There is a 'Zero up for sale reasonably close to me. They are beautiful and look to be well put together. Excellent reviews. The problem is that they are a new class. There aren't many about so there is nobody to race directly against. I'm based in Lancashire, well outside the area where the boat is being promoted, so a sail test is not going to happen. What is a little off-putting is that I have seen two one year-old boats for sale this year. Makes me think the owners are moving back to the traditional, established fleets after the novelty wears off. But. I like beautiful and if the boat sails as well as reported I would have difficulty choosing the sensible option... |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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My thoughts..
The Solo, joking aside it's a sales vehicle for sailmakers and unless you have deep pockets and hours of practise time, the craic is about all you enjoy. Not necessairily for any real reason, but constant doubt about your sail, how it's rigged, the 'settings' and all manner of bullsh*t to explain why you can't break through into mid fleet when it is racing tactics, physical fitness and kinetic 'nouse' that will hold you back, and it's an ugly mofo of a boat anway, so why would you? The Streaker ditto everything above with the exception of the 'ugly' point the streaker isn't ugly, but it's gutless tiny 6.5m sail bringing up the rear, getting absolutely trashed by 63 kilo skeletors and zombies or even worse ladies of a certain age and skill set, at 80 kgs, they'll cream you. The D Zero and Aero are both an option. Nice modern boats with lots of good features, there's stack been written on them, the zero sail size however matches your weight. (I always think 1 sq mfr per ten kilos isn't a bad rule of thumb for comfort) But the next one, my choice, the Solution also has what you asked for, but there are not many about, there's a guy at my club looking for one and the only one on the market is an ex demo 2016 model with £700 quid off, it's only drawback it has a crap mast and boom made of aluminium the gooseneck of which snapped on me today mid gybe and I went swimming in shorts a rash vest and no knickers and did I freeze my nuts... ;-) Other question has your venue got any underwater obstructions, if so the Solo & Solution are the only two with centreboards that kick back, the others all have daggers (That I hate for lots of reasons). |
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NickM ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 27 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 328 |
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I agree fleet racing is the way to improve skills. The boat speed differential in Solos/Streakers fleet racing is minimal so it keeps you concentrating all the way round, not to mentions improving tactics to try and get past the guy ahead. My concentration drops off in handicap racing if there are no other boats near me.
80kg is a good helm weight for a Solo (65 - 100 kg) but at the heavy end of the Streaker range (63 - 83 kg) Edited by NickM - 26 Jun 16 at 7:32pm |
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Papa Smurf ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 16 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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I'm not fast enough to be a trend setter. ![]() Buying a faster boat for a better finish isn't going to help me improve. I'd prefer to be in the mix and head to head on the water than racing the clock. It doesn't look like much fun running around on your own no matter which end of the pack you're at. Saying that, I would like to be sailing a fast boat that sails well, looks good and is a pleasure to helm. What to choose?
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Papa Smurf ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 16 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20 |
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For me fleet racing is the way to go. You have a direct comparison of performance, other people to beat on the water and to banter with on the shore.
I'll see if I can borrow a Streaker and a Solo at the Club. How do they sail? How do they compare to each other and to the Laser?
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I recently bought a Streaker this year after a few years break from sailing. Absolutely love it. It's well worth jumping in one to have a play.
I believe they've been selling over 40 new boats per year for the last few years and they're slowly spreading along the south as well as already being well established in the north. Definitely add it to the list of potenial boats and give one a go. Try one with dual side controls though, rather than one with just central controls, it's a whole lot better on mark roundings having the controls to hand. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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For all it has a low profile the Streaker is one of the bigger classes in the country. Most popular in the north I believe.
You really need to go sail all these boats and see what suits you. |
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