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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Availability, not cost. Say two classes have 10 owners who keep boats fully competitive. Class A is 2% off the pace after a season, and the 10 buy a new boat every year, trading it on at light depreciation. Class B is fully competitive for 10 years. At the end of ten years class A has had 100 boats built, Class B has had 10. |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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1999 @ Lyme Regis was post amalgamation.
As for Jim's comments, you'd expect that to have a bigger effect on used values rather than new, but I guess the 14s are a bit of a niche with followers who'd buy them almost regardless of cost. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The big numbers of old were before the rules changed to amalgamate with the Aussies, weren't they?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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The problem for just about all the high end unrestricted construction classes is now boat longevity. When boats are very expensive, but are fully competitive for ten years or more then there's virtually no secondhand boat availability to grow a fleet.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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Fairly sure they haven't had that sort of turnout for 15 or 20y. Since maybe beer worlds year. 70 boats at 2011 POW but that was aprt of worlds.
I think that any boat built in such low numbers is custom to all intents and purposes. Trouble is that the building is very fragmented, so there are about 3 or 4 pro builders who have been active in the last decade, and about 30 boats have been built in that time. Often 2 builders have each built moulds at vast expense to the same design, and only a couple of hulls made out of each! I do believe that there should be scope for a mach 2 or exocet style high fidelity productionised newbuild i14 but even they aren't cheap and lead time on an exocet is 3 years!!! Still, such an approach if done well and sensibly could be a good basis for those who like to throw money at problems to build on, and accessible for those that just want to sail. Still, 9 newbuild boats in the UK in 2016 to 4 designs I think, pretty cool! |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Fair enough on the numbers Dan. It's a while since I did the POW at Lyme Regis where the turnout was pretty damn big, but I'd assumed they were getting 40-60 boats in a typical POW.
Regarding cost while I agree that the bulk of the new boats are custom, you'd have thought that if 10yr old boats are still playing at the front, that someone would be churning copies out at lower costs. |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Exactly Mr Tick. Not everything is about price and or accessibility. I could go about trickle down of of ideas and technology......................., but I suspect like you I am simply happy to applaud the dedicated few and take some inspiration to pursue my own modest efforts.
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Daniel Holman ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 17 Nov 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 997 |
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26 is not a bad number biggest in recent memory was Falmouth 2013 with ~30. that is pretty much all of the active (i.e. travlling) UK fleet. A lot better than 2012 when it was 10 boats!! This year the worlds in France takes up 2 weeks of leave which has kept a few away, as have late boat completions (Hi!)
The depreciation from professionally built newbuild can be high as the boats end up custom one way or another. Nonetheless several guys in the fleet are sailing homebuilds with some degree of professional scope for about £10k However the boat currently tied for 1st is TEN YEARS OLD and has won 4 worlds. Think it has just been sold not sure of the value but expected ~ 9k. Still, not many classes esp HP where you could say that. Like Jimbo says 3-6k buys you an awful lot of i14. |
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iiiiticki ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 16 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 206 |
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"Thing of beauty, a joy for ever", Someone has to build something that looks that modern and good. They make me drool, and fear in equal parts.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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precisely rupert.
I'm not knocking the quality of the engineering and craftsmanship, I'm just questioning whether your average dinghy punter can justify that much value in a boat with relatively high levels of depreciation. but on a positive note, second hand ones are dirt cheap ... and a 3k 14 probably represents a lot more for your money than equivalent spend off the RS800 section of ApolloDuck.
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