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    Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 5:14pm
Just noticed that the 14s have only got 26 boats at POW week. It seems like a very low turnout.
Is it yet another sign of the move away from high speed dinghies back into simpler more attainable boats?
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Originally posted by craiggo

Just noticed that the 14s have only got 26 boats at POW week. It seems like a very low turnout.
Is it yet another sign of the move away from high speed dinghies back into simpler more attainable boats?

or that they're just too feckin' expensive?
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If Russ was still on here, he'd be claiming that dinghies have always cost the same as a family car, and with your typical large family car now typically around the 20k mark then boats should be a similar price to.


The thing is cars have become more expensive due to the safety features and boats, well they are still just boats.

Still 14 sailors can always feel happier knowing that a certain group spend similar money on an 11ft x 10" box that has a couple of wings.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by craiggo

Just noticed that the 14s have only got 26 boats at POW week. It seems like a very low turnout.
Is it yet another sign of the move away from high speed dinghies back into simpler more attainable boats?

or that they're just too feckin' expensive?


go buy all the bits / carbon / resin / sundries needed to build one. build & fit it out, charge yourself out to yourself @40 an hour, then assume someone needs to make a profit somewhere.

is it still expensive?

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Well, you could certainly build a much cheaper 14ft high performance boat. But being ridiculously expensive for what they are doesn't seem to do the Merlins any harm.
In any case ownership costs are trivial compared to keelboats.
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Originally posted by chris_wht


Originally posted by turnturtle


Originally posted by craiggo

Just noticed that the 14s have only got 26 boats at POW week. It seems like a very low turnout.
Is it yet another sign of the move away from high speed dinghies back into simpler more attainable boats?

or that they're just too feckin' expensive?
go buy all the bits / carbon / resin / sundries needed to build one. build & fit it out, charge yourself out to yourself @40 an hour, then assume someone needs to make a profit somewhere.is it still expensive?


Yes, of course it is expensive. Just because it isn't a rip off doesn't make it cheap.
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precisely rupert.  

I'm not knocking the quality of the engineering and craftsmanship, I'm just questioning whether your average dinghy punter can justify that much value in a boat with relatively high levels of depreciation. 

but on a positive note, second hand ones are dirt cheap ... and a 3k 14 probably represents a lot more for your money than equivalent spend off the RS800 section of ApolloDuck.   
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"Thing of beauty, a joy for ever", Someone has to build something that looks that modern and good. They make me drool, and fear in equal parts.
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26 is not a bad number biggest in recent memory was Falmouth 2013 with ~30. that is pretty much all of the active (i.e. travlling) UK fleet.  A lot better than 2012 when it was 10 boats!! This year the worlds in France takes up 2 weeks of leave which has kept a few away, as have late boat completions (Hi!)
The depreciation from professionally built newbuild can be high as the boats end up custom one way or another.
Nonetheless several guys in the fleet are sailing homebuilds with some degree of professional scope for about £10k
However the boat currently tied for 1st is TEN YEARS OLD and has won 4 worlds. Think it has just been sold not sure of the value but expected ~ 9k. Still, not many classes esp HP where you could say that.
Like Jimbo says 3-6k buys you an awful lot of i14.
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