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    Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 8:07am
Originally posted by Presuming Ed

A A Gill says it best. 

A perfect example of what's wrong with the 'debate' on both sides. It's juvenile, condescending, polarising, fact free, and really aimed not to change minds but to make those who agree with him feel better about themselves. As a contribution to changing people's thinking it's worse than useless.


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My already great contempt for those who feel they have the right to govern us has increased by magnitudes over the course of this negative, scaremongering wasteful campaign, whatever the side.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Rupert

My already great contempt for those who feel they have the right to govern us has increased by magnitudes over the course of this negative, scaremongering wasteful campaign, whatever the side.

indeed - but Dave and George had far further to fall in my estimations than Boris and Mike... 

yesterday was the final nail in the coffin- the utter contempt shown to honest fishermen, exercising their basic democratic freedoms, was IMHO, the lowest point either campaign has gone.... especially on top of Osbourne's idiotic post-Brexit austerity threats the same morning.
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I think the whole debate has shown how typically lacking in confidence we are as a nation, sometimes it doesn't do any harm to remember our language is used all over the world for communication in business, flight and navigation, we pretty much invented the modern industrial world, we invent stuff all the time, we are respected in many places for our reasonable approach to matters (with the exception of oil based agressive exploration). To suggest we cannot continue to trade with either Europe or the rest of the world is ridiculously stupid or that somehow, by leaving this 'club' we will be considerably worse off, it's just not true.

To simplify the debate it seems to me more a row between the haves and have nots, the haves worried they might lose something and the have nots almost carrying on a very British Revolution to punish the establishment and the ruling elite for their arrogance, which to my mind is overdue.

Lying, cheating, fixing, lacking in honour and credibility the establishment deserve a shock, both here and in Europe, you cannot blame the leavers for reacting to the ludicrous claims the remainers have been coming out with. For sure there is an uncertain future, that's one thing you can be certain of, in or out there are real problems ahead, better in my mind that we don't kid ourselves there is anyone out there duty bound to help us, just as it's better not kidding ourselves being part of this single market in anyway stacks things in our favour, it doesn't, never has and never will, we remain an open trader whereas France, Germany, Holland all come with their local protectionist activities always have and I doubt they'll ever change so best to approach the matter knowing rather than in some cloud cuckoo land that we're dealing on a level playing field.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 12:34pm
I'll start by saying I'm what used to be called a moderate and I try to stay away from ideology, I prefer reasonable solutions rather than right, left dogma. (by today's standards I look more like a raging pinko)

The west has slid further and further to the right and shows no signs of stopping. Europe hasn't been this right wing since the war and the UK since I don't know when. As for Trump across the pond.....well, what can I say except we have our own variety of idiot.

For me the solution is Democracy with an informed and educated electorate. Since we have none of these ingredients I have to ask myself: Will our prospects for improving these things be better in or out of Europe........I'm still vacillating (must be the humidity)

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Scariest phone call in history?

"President Trump, we have Prime Minister Johnson on the line for you". 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Scariest phone call in history?
"President Trump, we have Prime Minister Johnson on the line for you". 
:-)


Hardly ... Neither would actually have the gravitas to go war on foreign soil without a UN mandate a la Blair / Bush ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:32pm
Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Scariest phone call in history?

"President Trump, we have Prime Minister Johnson on the line for you". 
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Lol Funny on this forum  but as a possibly reality   aaargh
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:54pm
He'd only be phoning to arrange a wrestling match.
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

We're going to end up like Norway

6 richest country in the world. Ok I'll take that.  LOL
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