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    Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:08pm
Originally posted by Presuming Ed


 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/britain-flirts-with-economic-insanity/2016/05/01/bb8d7a4a-0e1f-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html


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OTOH, I did quite like this: 

The post below may be a little unkind to some people but nevertheless has an undeniable truth. Acknowledgement to the original poster.

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• BNP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.
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Very funny. If you want the first list to have credibility then the second list needs it too. There are many notable gaps. But don't take my word for it, do your own homework!
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indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Workers are far better protected under the EU than they ever would be under a Tory government paid for by rich businessmen.You hear of billionaires wanting out. Best reason to vote to stay in.

Does that mean you'd be prepared to vote leave if we had a Labour govt at the moment?


No. Just as bad.
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http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/england-gone-mad/

A A Gill says it best. 
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/aa-gill-argues-the-case-against-brexit-kmnp83zrt

We listen to the Brexit lot talk about the trade deals they’re going to make with Europe after we leave, and the blithe insouciance that what they’re offering instead of EU membership is a divorce where you can still have sex with your ex. They reckon they can get out of the marriage, keep the house, not pay alimony, take the kids out of school, stop the in-laws going to the doctor, get strict with the visiting rights, but, you know, still get a shag at the weekend and, obviously, see other people on the side.
Really, that’s their best offer? That’s the plan? To swagger into Brussels with Union Jack pants on and say: “ ’Ello luv, you’re looking nice today. Would you like some?”

When the rest of us ask how that’s really going to work, leavers reply, with Terry-Thomas smirks, that “they’re going to still really fancy us, honest, they’re gagging for us. Possibly not Merkel, but the bosses of Mercedes and those French vintners and cheesemakers, they can’t get enough of old John Bull. Of course they’re going to want to go on making the free market with two backs after we’ve got the decree nisi. Makes sense, doesn’t it?”


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Originally posted by turnturtle

indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.



What makes you think I'm undecided?
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Originally posted by robinft

Originally posted by turnturtle

indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.



What makes you think I'm undecided?

nothing, it was a general comment....  simply backing up your point about the stupid list of people of various vested interests.
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Fine, but you need to cross off both lists all the ones that didn't predict the financial crash and/or favoured Britain joining the Euro, because their economic predictions are demonstrably of limited value...

Then you can cross off both lists all those organisations or individuals that are expected to benefit from whichever side they are supporting, because as the old saying goes, self interest is running in every race.

Then you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that you really wouldn't expect to have that much to contribute to the topic.

And finally you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that are intrinsically biased and wouldn't recognise a reasonable argument if it kicked them in the teeth.

And then you'll probably have none left on either side...

What I don't get though is the assumption, written all over that Washington Post article, that the first thing that will happen is that all economic relationships will be torn up and replaced with ones that are massively unfavourable to *all* parties.
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Originally posted by JimC

Fine, but you need to cross off both lists all the ones that didn't predict the financial crash and/or favoured Britain joining the Euro, because their economic predictions are demonstrably of limited value...

Then you can cross off both lists all those organisations or individuals that are expected to benefit from whichever side they are supporting, because as the old saying goes, self interest is running in every race.

Then you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that you really wouldn't expect to have that much to contribute to the topic.

And finally you can cross off from both sides all those organisations and individuals that are intrinsically biased and wouldn't recognise a reasonable argument if it kicked them in the teeth.

And then you'll probably have none left on either side...

What I don't get though is the assumption, written all over that Washington Post article, that the first thing that will happen is that all economic relationships will be torn up and replaced with ones that are massively unfavourable to *all* parties.


Agreed.
Do we really believe that MB, VAG and BMW will forego 1m car sales that easily? I think not.
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