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turnturtle 
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 Topic: In or Out?Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:41pm |
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indeed robinft... here's one, worth reading if you're still unsure/undecided.
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robinft
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Joined: 18 Jun 04 Location: Thorpe Bay YC Online Status: Offline Posts: 252 |
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:29pm |
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Very funny. If you want the first list to have credibility then the second list needs it too. There are many notable gaps. But don't take my word for it, do your own homework!
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:23pm |
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OTOH, I did quite like this:
The post below may be a little unkind to some people but nevertheless has an undeniable truth. Acknowledgement to the original poster. A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out. Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU: Governor of the Bank of England Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU: Boris Johnson, who probably doesnt really care either way, but knows hell become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave So, as I said, if you cant be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldnt be more simple. And if you are unsure about leaving, don't. |
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robinft
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:08pm |
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I prefer the comments. |
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 4:00pm |
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Improved terms? Yeah, right.
"You want to leave? Fine. Bugger off. Oh, and by the way, under the treaty of Rome we get to set the terms under which you leave." My country is committing economic insanity, and I can't bear it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/britain-flirts-with-economic-insanity/2016/05/01/bb8d7a4a-0e1f-11e6-bfa1-4efa856caf2a_story.html
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robinft
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 3:56pm |
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The in/out referendum isn't binding on parliament, but they'd be foolish to ignore the will of the people. The only way to get improved terms is to vote leave. The unknowns of staying in are no less than the unknowns of leaving. If the EU was so concerned about us leaving they should have taken negotiations more seriously. Vote leave and that should concentrate their minds, but be prepared that leave may well mean leave with no ifs or buts. |
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iGRF
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 1:22pm |
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People tend to forget with the politics of all this, but it is business men that sort these things out and if you are building the proverbial better mousetrap, then someone will find a way to buy it, it's only if they already have mouse traps better than yours that you'll have problem. So if RS want to sell boats in say holland which I'm sure they do, then dutch dealers will profit from it and sort out the local certification, and even now inside the EU if they don't want you to sell boats in their market they'll use their 'chamber of commerce' local legislation to prevent it as they have in Germany for many years throughout the period we've been in the EU. Being in the EU hasn't prevented anti competitive processes being levelled at us, they even took bloody JCB to court for doing exactly the same as every German car manufacturer. Business isn't about politics, it's about who and or what you know and which lawyers you brief in which regard. |
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fab100
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 1:09pm |
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Yes, a road base used to be circa £375 They now cost twice that, requiring lightboards to be on wobbly metal sticks protruding from the frame among there things
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JimC
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 12:53pm |
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Excellent I should think. Consider, for example, the chances of Volkswagen going bust if there's a trade war. All these apocalyptic scenarios being made up are ludicrous, because if there were any sudden changes in trade regimes and all the rest of it then if anything german industry would be harder hit than ours. Truth is no-one knows what will happen if we stay (ask the Greeks how much economic security they have) and no-one knows what will happen if we leave, and the arrant nonsense and crazy speculation being scattered around by *both* sides is equally valueless. I suspect the most likely scenario in the event of a leave vote is that a whole new lot of concessions and status changes will be cobbled together, and somehow it will be decided that Britain will stay in the EU after all because of the changed circumstances and the vote will be quietly swept under the carpet. "You can check out any time you want..." Edited by JimC - 15 Jun 16 at 1:52pm |
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Granite
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Posted: 15 Jun 16 at 12:52pm |
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So the impact for a smallish boat builder who wants to sell boats to Europe might be
Stay: Design test and build boats to RCD then keep a copy of the technical file and add the CE mark Leave: Design test and build boats to RCD then find someone within Europe to keep a copy of the technical file and sign off on it so that you can add the CE mark. Of course after leaving the brittish will no longer have any voice in how the RCD is updated. I also don't think that changing legeslation on trailers or boats being top of the Governments list for changes in the event of an exit so I expect that these and just about all the other manufacturing regulations based on EU directives staying exactly the same in the UK as the EU but we would no longer have any influance. As an example Norway has an almost identical equivalent to the EU machinery directive, because they are too small a market to be able to force suppliers to work to a different one. |
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