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    Posted: 23 Apr 16 at 5:05pm
Looks as if Lasers are going to be built in the Far East. See this:

http://us12.campaign-archive1.com/?u=03f9cad9b1e0946205195ce4a&id=f07db184a4&e=174790523f

An Interesting paragraph is this one:

US-based Vanguard Sail Boats has ceased production of the Sunfish, z420 and CFJ.   We are working with our new suppliers to resupply these boats. Already shipments of injection-molded CFJs are on their way direct to customers. We expect Sunfish to be supplied during the summer and z420 by early fall. We will communicate to you specific dates as soon as we know them. Our goal is to have all the three boats injection-molded by the end of the year.


I (and others) presume that's a mistake and they mean resin infused, but if so it reveals quite a level of ignorance in management...

Edited by JimC - 25 Apr 16 at 1:04pm
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Yep that release is laced with US business school parlance and displays a complete lack of understanding of the golden geese that they continue to strangle.
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Seems I maligned them. There are now techniques of injection moulding for glass fibre. Means a serious investment in tooling I think.
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Resin transfer moulding? A la Aero. Means a change to laser construction manual which sounds dodgy but A and B mould tools in aluminium is easily amortisable when you are doing 2000ish laser 1s a year with a colossal profit margin, and driving the manhour element down to maybe 10 - cheap in China for the time being!
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It sounds like they're only doing it for the Sunfish, z420 and CFJ (whatever that is)
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AIUI z420 and CFJ are heavy detuned versions of the 420 and Flying Junior. The US market is strange! I get the impression its driven by the US college sailing market, in which it seems the boats are not maintained by the students, but instead by college employees. This means the college employees have a strong motivation to select boats that even the most ham handed students have trouble breaking.

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Originally posted by JimC

AIUI z420 and CFJ are heavy detuned versions of the 420 and Flying Junior. The US market is strange! I get the impression its driven by the US college sailing market, in which it seems the boats are not maintained by the students, but instead by college employees. This means the college employees have a strong motivation to select boats that even the most ham handed students have trouble breaking.

This is exactly correct; this pretty much represents dinghy sailing in the USA.

There are a few pockets of performance dinghy sailors as we would know them but they are few & far between and are the odd ones out.

When you leave college you go into keelboat sailing; after all dinghy sailing is just for poor people who cant afford a keelboat ...

As for injection moulding 420s etc sound odd; the only injection moulded boat I know of is the Topper.

The rest are roto moulded.

I have never heard of injection moulding with glass fibre so it sounds wrong to me... maybe for small items like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhkLuXZzCc
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If the reinforcement goes in with the resin it's injection, if the reinfocement is placed in beforehand it's infusion.
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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by JimC

AIUI z420 and CFJ are heavy detuned versions of the 420 and Flying Junior. The US market is strange! I get the impression its driven by the US college sailing market, in which it seems the boats are not maintained by the students, but instead by college employees. This means the college employees have a strong motivation to select boats that even the most ham handed students have trouble breaking.

This is exactly correct; this pretty much represents dinghy sailing in the USA.

There are a few pockets of performance dinghy sailors as we would know them but they are few & far between and are the odd ones out.

When you leave college you go into keelboat sailing; after all dinghy sailing is just for poor people who cant afford a keelboat ...

As for injection moulding 420s etc sound odd; the only injection moulded boat I know of is the Topper.

The rest are roto moulded.

I have never heard of injection moulding with glass fibre so it sounds wrong to me... maybe for small items like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBhkLuXZzCc


if you hung around SA you'd probably be surprised by the numbers of Aeros being sold over there.... several hundred on the west coast apparently.  And definitely one in Texas....
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Was not 'injection'  not going to be the build process for the 'Project X' ?
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