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    Posted: 30 Mar 16 at 3:24pm
Dougals articale on the front page is a really interesting viewpoint on the state of play in our sport.
Well done more pictures of 505 though please, talking of old could you not find one of you and pitbag sailing together?

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Interesting issue raised about pulling heavy boats around beaches etc.

At no charge for the idea, budding enterpreneurs, what we need is clearly a retro-fit waterproof motor for launching trolleys.

In the days of my youth, we used to launch by lowering the boats from the club-yard using a crane initially installed for the annual haul out of the Troys (local keelboats). I think the counterweight was heavier than our Mirrors. Funnily no kids ever got hurt in the process but the elf-n-safety mafia would have a fit now.

We also launched my mates Osprey the same way - never noticed it was heavy therefore, but it was a great sail. Us bunch of kids held the official 24hr dinghy distance record in it for a while. Happy days in that thing a few good stories too.
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Once, many moons ago on Rock beach, an idea was almost put into production of a 'roll away' slip way, something that could be rolled down to the waters edge to ease getting dinghies and ribs through the sand to the water but not left in place permanently, given the viscous tides in that area make all but large concrete structures (even they suffer) whatever the opposite of permanent is and also meaning that the sand could be enjoyed by all when no boats were being launched or recovered
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Originally posted by getafix

Once, many moons ago on Rock beach, an idea was almost put into production of a 'roll away' slip way, something that could be rolled down to the waters edge to ease getting dinghies and ribs through the sand to the water but not left in place permanently, given the viscous tides in that area make all but large concrete structures (even they suffer) whatever the opposite of permanent is and also meaning that the sand could be enjoyed by all when no boats were being launched or recovered

Make that a roll-away travelator and it's job-done, for organised sailing at least, but no use for the casual "i think I'll go for a sail" that Dougal refered to in the article
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Originally posted by getafix

viscous tides in that area

Vision of sticky heavy gloop oozing turgidly across the estuary... The water coming up the beach like a Harryhausen stop motion animation...

(I think you meant vicious, but I'm not trying to take the proverbial its just such a fun mental image - or I have a weird mind) (OK make that the latter).

I think it was transitory you wanted for beach structures that get blasted away by winter storms...
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Don't know about beach structures, but our beach at Hythe has now been 'replenished' at no little expense twice now since february and Katie came along over the weekend and again destroyed the efforts of the dozens of big Tonka Toy trucks that ply their loads of shingle up and down the 4 mile seafront these past weeks.

Which will make our lives no less difficult humping heavy boats up and down, that article could have been written about me and mine, good to see it's more general than just my world. I enjoy reading stuff like that it's such a pity it doesn't happen more regularly.

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An excellent article by Doug and as a Silver Sailor myself I can fully relate to his thinking.  I am now 69 and have been dinghy sailing since I was 18 and sail on the sea in Cornwall.  Almost 30 years ago I was introduced to a Tasar and found from the off that it was an almost ideal dinghy for my son and myself to sail in our environment.  Frank Bethwaite designed it as a performance dinghy for a “husband and wife” team of about 140lbs to sail without having to deal with neither trapeze nor spinnaker and in that respect he was 100% accurate.  We at the time struggled in a breeze as we were far too small and light for the full range of sailing conditions but over a season had more better days than bad days.  The Tasar fits many of Doug’s criteria, it is reasonably light and comfortable to hike, but to me has one Achilles heal; it will turtle within a few seconds of capsizing and for the smaller person can be a bitch to recover.  Mind you when the boat comes upright then it comes up dry so can be sailed again at full speed almost immediately.  Now if the deck moulding was modified to give a wash through and the buoyancy re arranged to allow the boat to float on its side ala H2 then to me it would be nigh on perfect.
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Originally posted by getafix

Once, many moons ago on Rock beach, an idea was almost put into production of a 'roll away' slip way, something that could be rolled down to the waters edge to ease getting dinghies and ribs through the sand to the water but not left in place permanently, given the viscous tides in that area make all but large concrete structures (even they suffer) whatever the opposite of permanent is and also meaning that the sand could be enjoyed by all when no boats were being launched or recovered


We have a variation on this theme at Tynemouth, works well so long as sailors remember to slide them back up the beach after sailing.
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Originally posted by sawman

Originally posted by getafix

Once, many moons ago on Rock beach, an idea was almost put into production of a 'roll away' slip way, something that could be rolled down to the waters edge to ease getting dinghies and ribs through the sand to the water but not left in place permanently, given the viscous tides in that area make all but large concrete structures (even they suffer) whatever the opposite of permanent is and also meaning that the sand could be enjoyed by all when no boats were being launched or recovered


We have a variation on this theme at Tynemouth, works well so long as sailors remember to slide them back up the beach after sailing.


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Now read the piece, wash my mouth out with soap and shoot me down in flames, although he says a lot which cannot be contested I didn't see anything that amounted to much at all.

Flying Fifteens; why heave and hike when a car and keel can do the work?

How many easy easy new boats for Silver sailors do you need? K1, K2 and for that matter K6. Going lighter, Blaze Fire, Aero smaller rigs and D0 Blue. 

Both Icon and Alto are listed as near the mark but have hardly flown off the shelves, if the current crop of Silver Sailors are the golden generation regarding their spending power then they haven't voted with their wallets.

I really don't embrace the obsession for ultra light boats, a sensible bit of mass damps down twitchiness quite nicely and with potentially slower reactions this can be a plus for the Silvers. As regards physically handling the boat ashore and launching and recovering, surely a good self limiting safety feature. If you're not strong enough to move it alone ashore you're not strong enough to sort out a situation alone on the water. Why would a Silver Sailor want to or consider it safe or prudent to go single handed sailing alone when going company offers helping hands both ashore and on water. 

BTW. I am certainly no young blood, could probably qualify as a Silver, 60 this year with one arthritic wrist and balance that is no longer as cat like as it once was. I have no need for new boats, what I value is friends to sail in company with in the boats we already have.  

 
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