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    Posted: 29 Feb 16 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by Rupert

The Minisail, Piccolo and the other sailing surfboards caused a naming issue back in the 60s. Skimmer was the best they could come up with. Scow works for me, though.

plus the Tempo , Fireball ( and it's shrunken version ?Bullet ) and Topper  seem to meet  the requirements for their hull form to be considered  a scow ... 
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How about 3 simple rules:

Flat, wide hull, with vertical bow.
Trapeze for all crew members
Asymmetric spinny..

Lets in the single handers, rules out the traditional boats...
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Frank Bethwaite defined a "Skiff" (49er and 29er) in Higher performance sailing page 280

"Three separate ratios, sail area to wetted area, sail area to total weight and sail carrying power to total weight and a special blend of handling characteristics with an automatic rig.....(have to be satisfied)....before it became possible to tack downwind with authority in all windstrengths and win"

so basically a skiff in those terms is an apparent wind boat that will sail downwind faster by gybing because of the greater windspeed created by its own movement, than a "normal" dinghy such as a 505 or Flying Dutchman which mainly just blow along.

Good idea to bite the bullet and read the book even though it's expensive and too heavy to be comfortable in bed with and not well written or organised. He needed a really good editor.
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Originally posted by Riv



Good idea to bite the bullet and read the book even though it's expensive and too heavy to be comfortable in bed with and not well written or organised. He needed a really good editor.




seconded.
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I thought since they got bigger kites 505's did do apparent sailing downwind.
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Originally posted by Riv


so basically a skiff in those terms is an apparent wind boat that will sail downwind faster by gybing because of the greater windspeed created by its own movement, than a "normal" dinghy such as a 505 or Flying Dutchman which mainly just blow along.



I assumed the above comment was just a joke, without the smiley, as the 505 now is very much an apparent wind boat downwind, but please, it's not a skiff.
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Originally posted by Roger


 but please, it's not a skiff.




See my rule 2 earlier!
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The 16ft skiff class may have a bit to say about that.
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OK.. change rule two to say "Trapezes for more than half of those aboard"

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Edited by realnutter - 01 Mar 16 at 6:48pm
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And the hysterical Skiffs (=historical) will have a lot to say about that...

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