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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Posted on another sailing forum. Which boat is the keep clear boat and why?
My understanding is that blue is keep clear boat but I am now questioning that. There is apparently a case in the casebook that covers this but I cannot see which one. Perhaps Gordon or Brass could give their view? There was contact between sails/booms at point 2: ![]() |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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I have a feeling that there *was* a case but it isn't there at the moment.
I'd disqualify both for failing to keep clear of a leeward boat and failing to avoid a collision and let them argue the toss with the RYA appeals if they wanted to. |
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ventus ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 10 Jul 15 Online Status: Offline Posts: 43 |
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Really interested in the answer to this one. When I first looked at it I was certain the answer was obvious, but now I'm not sure.
![]() Hope someone can explain the law to see if I was right or just stupid/out of date. Edited by ventus - 23 Sep 15 at 11:21am |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6661 |
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You have to go to the definitions.
so, 1) I think the definitions say that they are overlapped: rather oddly the definitions seem to say that two boats pointing bow on at each other are overlapped. and 2) Each boat has a boat on its leeward side, which is therefore a Leeward boat and is to windward of it, so is itself a windward boat. Rule 11 says a windward boat shall keep clear of a leeward boat, therefore each boat is required to keep clear of the other, otherwise its in breach of RRS11. So I DSQ both, and let cleverer and more expert people at the RYA sort out if I should have exonerated one of them. |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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That is now my thinking Jim. Perhaps there should be a query raised with the RYA/ISAF as this is a pretty common occurrence.
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Never was a case, and I can't see the need for one. All that is needed is a simple methodical application of the rules and definitions as Jim has done.
Ok, sure these scenarios are a bit of a party trick, like buttonhook finishes, but once you've seen them once they're memorable and pretty easy. Now, for bonus points, how does it play with same boats, same orientation and points of sailing, but passing starboard to starboard? |
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jeffers ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048 |
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Thanks guys
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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My understanding was that it was treated the same as it would be if blue was simply coming down wind. It is pretty difficult for the leeward boat to decide at a moments notice whether the other boat is sailing by the Lee. I've sailed in places where that angle can easily be achieved simply by the effect of wind shifts.
Is it just the drawing, or did yellow really let its sail out at the last moment to cause the contact? |
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Brass ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 08 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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The point of that bit of the definition is that, as long as a boat is sailing more or less downwind, it doesn't matter whether she is by the lee or not : you just look at her boom.
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Presuming Ed ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 641 |
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2bl before contact, according to the OP on the original thread.
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