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Rupert 
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 Topic: Rule 11?Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 7:55pm |
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If I'm going upwind and bear away to avoid a boat which is expecting to avoid me, Brass, then we have chaos. Of course we have to keep an eye out, but we also have to have clear instructions, and I'm not convinced that the descriptions I've been reading on here give that at all.
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Brass
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 7:05pm |
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Prolly better to look under your boom:if theres a boat there on the same tack you need to keep clear.
Nobody tried the stbd to stbd scenario yet? |
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Rupert
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 1:33pm |
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I think I'll stick with assuming that boats who are running towards me on the same tack are windward boats, and continue to assume that so long as I don't make it impossible for them, they will be keeping clear of me. I'll also assume that if I need to avoid contact when it becomes obvious they aren't, I will do so if at all possible, rather than t boning them. If I start trying to alter course before that, then there are situations where I'll simply get more in the way of their avoidance than if I'd carried on, making things worse for everyone
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 10:28am |
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http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=168410
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Rupert
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 10:04am |
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Was that to try and slow to avoid or to ensure the rigs met?
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Presuming Ed
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 8:56am |
2bl before contact, according to the OP on the original thread.
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Brass
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 8:01am |
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The point of that bit of the definition is that, as long as a boat is sailing more or less downwind, it doesn't matter whether she is by the lee or not : you just look at her boom.
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Rupert
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 7:47am |
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My understanding was that it was treated the same as it would be if blue was simply coming down wind. It is pretty difficult for the leeward boat to decide at a moments notice whether the other boat is sailing by the Lee. I've sailed in places where that angle can easily be achieved simply by the effect of wind shifts.
Is it just the drawing, or did yellow really let its sail out at the last moment to cause the contact? |
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jeffers
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Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 7:15am |
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Thanks guys
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Brass
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Posted: 23 Sep 15 at 8:18pm |
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Never was a case, and I can't see the need for one. All that is needed is a simple methodical application of the rules and definitions as Jim has done.
Ok, sure these scenarios are a bit of a party trick, like buttonhook finishes, but once you've seen them once they're memorable and pretty easy. Now, for bonus points, how does it play with same boats, same orientation and points of sailing, but passing starboard to starboard? |
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