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    Posted: 23 Jul 15 at 12:29am
Originally posted by JimC

I was mulling over the other day how strange the legal system is...

We are all expected to obey all applicable laws all the time, and if we don't we are subject to penalties up to and including permanent incarceration.

We receive little or no training as to what the law actually is.

We are not really notified officially when the law changes.

The law is so complex that even fully trained professionals have to specialise in limited areas of it to get a reasonable understanding.

The process that establishes whether we broke the law or not requires at least half a dozen expensive and fully trained professionals and takes at least hours, and possibly days or even weeks.


Almost all of the time, though, we know the law in general and follow it.  In most cases it's only a tiny fraction of the time that the breach is so outrageous or (on the other hand) the situation is so complicated that it becomes an issue.

As an analogy, in a regatta 50 boats may spend 5 hours each consciously and subconsciously following the rules; even if you don't consciously think about the rules, you won't tack onto port because a starboard tacker is on your hip. Out of that 250 hours of racing, maybe a total of 10 seconds will end up in the room.

I used to get rid of dodgy lawyers, and in that field of law there were tens of thousands of matters a year that went off perfectly well - yet that was never mentioned when tiny minority of dodgy cases hit the public eye.

As for the complexity of the laws, it's like our chats with the guys in the $500 development class on the Boat Design Forum - they don't understand why rules have to be so complex because they have not seen what happens to simple rules.

Although improving and simplifying the law is great, complication and disputes are just inevitable product of society, aren't they?

PS - I do agree that some of the guys in that stream of traffic may well have been assuming that they were being diverted by the police, and been unable to react in time when they saw that wasn't the case.  The bus driver, though....




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Originally posted by Woodburner

.. . said "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"


And demonstrated that it can be hard to figure out which one you are being until it's too late.


That is something I have only ever seen quoted by fools ...
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........and those plonkers maybe struggling for a leg to stand on too
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Originally posted by Woodburner

.. . said "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"


And demonstrated that it can be hard to figure out which one you are being until it's too late.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Woodburner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:30am
Originally posted by rogerd

I think attitudes have changed in the last few years. Ever since the bankers and politicians appear to have "got away with it" why shouldn't I. Whether its a bit of cash in hand work, and who hasn't done that, or breaking a road rule. The I`m alright jack has taken example from those who were supposed to be setting the example.
Don't get me started on corporations and paying their due in tax.

That is exactly correct, when the very leader of this land fiddled his expenses to get wisteria cleared from his chimney and went un punished, why the feck should the rest of us toe the line.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Woodburner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:26am
Originally posted by Old Timer

 

The law is an ass ... and ignorance is no excuse.

Common sense and a feel for what is right or wrong gets most of us through without a problem.


*Douglas Bader had it about right.

But it did cost him his legs.






*For those not of our more enlightened generation, it was he who said "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools"
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I think attitudes have changed in the last few years. Ever since the bankers and politicians appear to have "got away with it" why shouldn't I. Whether its a bit of cash in hand work, and who hasn't done that, or breaking a road rule. The I`m alright jack has taken example from those who were supposed to be setting the example.
Don't get me started on corporations and paying their due in tax.
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