Naughty RS driver ...
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Topic: Naughty RS driver ...
Posted By: L123456
Subject: Naughty RS driver ...
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:09pm
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See at 00:50 through ... |
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Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:33pm
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Busted.
Dodgy manoeuvres in sign written vans are never a good idea |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:39pm
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They are all idiots. I hope the Police get them all and they get hit with a hefty fine and lots of points. There is no excuse for driving like that by any (especially muppets in sign written vans). ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:40pm
| It's ok though. He had his hazards flashing... |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:43pm
Just don't ok  ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 2:45pm
| Hazards exempt you from all sorts of rules of the road don't they? For example parking on double yellows is always ok if hazards are turned on, surely? |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 3:58pm
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I thought it meant you were a hazard period ;) ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: DaftNotDim
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 4:54pm
| Coach driver resigned, wonder if RS driver will do the same?... |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 6:16pm
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Grief the outragists are out again.
With a continual stream of vehicles doing the turn I wonder if any of them thought that the police must be redirecting them up the slip road and only realised what they'd done too late? In the grand scheme of idiot things done on the road I don't think it comes up the top of my list (except the first few that did it). By the stage of that video everyone coming onto the slip road could see vehicles coming out of it and must have know something damn peculiar was going on and adjusted driving accordingly. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 6:31pm
If the police were redirecting then there would have been a police officer waving you to turn up there with cones etc... They're all idiots. Fine them and put points on their licences!! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 6:36pm
jimC you will never make it as a magistrate. Driving the wrong way up a motorway is stupid, doing so in a sign written van is utter stupidity. Fines and points need dishing out by the police. As for the actions of any professional drivers that is up to them I suppose.
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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 20 Jul 15 at 11:29pm
| You're all forgetting that they're all Very Important People to whom the normal rules, like observing 50 mph road works speed limits, using the hard shoulder otherwise than in an emergency, using a hand-held mobile, being sensible, etc, don't apply, 'cos they're "special". Unfortunately, these days, thanks to austerity, they're pretty much convinced they're untouchable now too. |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 8:43am
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Ah the British .... turns out we do have a lot in common with the Germans after all. For all those 'appalled of Appleby', 'disgusted of Derby' and 'pi$$ed off of Putney' out there, one simple piece of advice from your resident Gaulish pot-stirrer; never, ever, drive anywhere in France if this kind of thing gets your goat |
Posted By: Presuming Ed
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 9:02am
Yup. Bid sad really.
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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 9:46am
Yes ... and you will be sad too if you ever lose a loved one at the hands of someone who thinks they can ignore the rules of the road.
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 10:26am
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No doubt the law will deal with them, lessons learned. Shame to see folk lose their jobs though but I suppose points make sackings in some cases. How about we discuss someone who needed a serious mega kick in arse...........Maggie Thatcher for example.
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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 10:30am
FTFY
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 10:43am
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 11:07am
Glad you said it Jim, I'd have just been accused of being a fan boy or some thing ... Can't see the problem, looks like motorists exercising some sensible flexibility with the rules of the road. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 11:34am
| Oh I see a problem all right, damn silly thing to do. But the smart money is someone did something a damn sight worse up the road to cause an accident that made the jam in the first place, and we aren't pillorying them. |
Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 11:49am
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Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 1:17pm
Maybe they're dead? |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 1:28pm
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Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 2:35pm
When we encounter traffic that delays us that does not make it right to start ignoring the rules of the road in a selfish effort to minimise our own inconvenience. That typically just leads to more problems. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 2:43pm
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Despite what some say about people 'being sensible in bending the rules' (read that breaking the law) I am still firmly of the opinion that they all need to be prosecuted. The prime concern of the emergency services is to deal with those who may need (life saving) treatment than in Johnny Q Repboy is going to be late for his next meeting. The police/highways agency (in the event of serious accidents) will start to clear backed up traffic once they know the accident is being dealt with and as resources become free. All these people are doing is creating the potential for another serious accident because they don't want to be stuck in a queue. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 3:29pm
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Sure, but are you going to prosecute everyone on every motorway who indulges in the far more dangerous habit of driving too close to the vehicle in front, which is why we get pileups in the first place? They'd never stop issuing tickets...
The striking thing about that video is that just about everyone in that lane turned off illegally. Now maybe that's because it just happened the video caught an unusual bunch of reckless drivers, or, just maybe, something's going on that isn't immediately obvious from the video. |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 4:10pm
So your logic is that law braking should be allowed if a more serious offence is going on unpunished? That is some crooked logic JimC ... Society is run and ordered through rules/laws; some may seem petty but they generally have a purpose. In principal none are more or less important to enforce than any other. In this case these people may be preventing emergency services reaching someone in desperate need ...
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Posted By: transient
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 4:31pm
Since you've broadened the topic slightly.......do you observe all laws all the time regardless of the rights or wrongs? |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 4:41pm
Yes I do my best to do so; however if I transgress then I would accept the penalty given; I wouldn't bleat that I had a right to break a law because I was being delayed ... |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 4:55pm
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I was mulling over the other day how strange the legal system is...
We are all expected to obey all applicable laws all the time, and if we don't we are subject to penalties up to and including permanent incarceration. We receive little or no training as to what the law actually is. We are not really notified officially when the law changes. The law is so complex that even fully trained professionals have to specialise in limited areas of it to get a reasonable understanding. The process that establishes whether we broke the law or not requires at least half a dozen expensive and fully trained professionals and takes at least hours, and possibly days or even weeks. |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 5:20pm
The law is an ass ... and ignorance is no excuse. Common sense and a feel for what is right or wrong gets most of us through without a problem. Driving is a odd part of life where people regularly break the laws of the land and behave in the most out of character ways ... I have witnessed people who I thought were normal and rational go crazy at another road user when behind the wheel of a car ... I don't understand what causes this transformation. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 7:12pm
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In many cases it is because on a nice quiet motorway, there is no more danger driving at 80 than 70, whereas stealing the crown jewels or nutting someone is plainly wrong.
In this video, for all we know, there could be a man with a bomb strapped to his chest in the middle of the road. Unlikely, but taking a video out of context can certainly bring wrong conclusions. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: kneewrecker
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 7:15pm
| N'ah RS is staffed by have-a-go hero types... Any one of their demo crew would MTFU and run the suicide bomber over, in fact given that context, weaponising an RS700 in the fight against terror seems like a wholly exploitable commercial opportunity. |
Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 9:38pm
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I think attitudes have changed in the last few years. Ever since the bankers and politicians appear to have "got away with it" why shouldn't I. Whether its a bit of cash in hand work, and who hasn't done that, or breaking a road rule. The I`m alright jack has taken example from those who were supposed to be setting the example.
Don't get me started on corporations and paying their due in tax. |
Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:26am
*Douglas Bader had it about right. But it did cost him his legs. *For those not of our more enlightened generation, it was he who said "Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools" ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/moses" rel="nofollow - Foil fun |
Posted By: Woodburner
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:30am
That is exactly correct, when the very leader of this land fiddled his expenses to get wisteria cleared from his chimney and went un punished, why the feck should the rest of us toe the line. ------------- https://www.ease-distribution.com/moses" rel="nofollow - Foil fun |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:39am
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Could RYA Exoneration Penalties be applied? ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 10:38am
And demonstrated that it can be hard to figure out which one you are being until it's too late. |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 7:18pm
| ........and those plonkers maybe struggling for a leg to stand on too |
Posted By: Old Timer
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 8:10pm
That is something I have only ever seen quoted by fools ...
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Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:16pm
| Looks like that tally has just gone up by one. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Jul 15 at 9:25pm
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Saw Charlie today. Forgot to ask him, but he wasn't driving a black van! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 23 Jul 15 at 12:29am
Almost all of the time, though, we know the law in general and follow it. In most cases it's only a tiny fraction of the time that the breach is so outrageous or (on the other hand) the situation is so complicated that it becomes an issue. As an analogy, in a regatta 50 boats may spend 5 hours each consciously and subconsciously following the rules; even if you don't consciously think about the rules, you won't tack onto port because a starboard tacker is on your hip. Out of that 250 hours of racing, maybe a total of 10 seconds will end up in the room. I used to get rid of dodgy lawyers, and in that field of law there were tens of thousands of matters a year that went off perfectly well - yet that was never mentioned when tiny minority of dodgy cases hit the public eye. As for the complexity of the laws, it's like our chats with the guys in the $500 development class on the Boat Design Forum - they don't understand why rules have to be so complex because they have not seen what happens to simple rules. Although improving and simplifying the law is great, complication and disputes are just inevitable product of society, aren't they? PS - I do agree that some of the guys in that stream of traffic may well have been assuming that they were being diverted by the police, and been unable to react in time when they saw that wasn't the case. The bus driver, though.... |