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    Posted: 21 Jul 15 at 7:15pm
N'ah RS is staffed by have-a-go hero types... Any one of their demo crew would MTFU and run the suicide bomber over, in fact given that context, weaponising an RS700 in the fight against terror seems like a wholly exploitable commercial opportunity.

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In many cases it is because on a nice quiet motorway, there is no more danger driving at 80 than 70, whereas stealing the crown jewels or nutting someone is plainly wrong.

In this video, for all we know, there could be a man with a bomb strapped to his chest in the middle of the road. Unlikely, but taking a video out of context can certainly bring wrong conclusions.
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Originally posted by JimC

I was mulling over the other day how strange the legal system is...

We are all expected to obey all applicable laws all the time, and if we don't we are subject to penalties up to and including permanent incarceration.

We receive little or no training as to what the law actually is.

We are not really notified officially when the law changes.

The law is so complex that even fully trained professionals have to specialise in limited areas of it to get a reasonable understanding.

The process that establishes whether we broke the law or not requires at least half a dozen expensive and fully trained professionals and takes at least hours, and possibly days or even weeks.


The law is an ass ... and ignorance is no excuse.

Common sense and a feel for what is right or wrong gets most of us through without a problem.

Driving is a odd part of life where people regularly break the laws of the land and behave in the most out of character ways ... I have witnessed people who I thought were normal and rational go crazy at another road user when behind the wheel of a car ...

I don't understand what causes this transformation.

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I was mulling over the other day how strange the legal system is...

We are all expected to obey all applicable laws all the time, and if we don't we are subject to penalties up to and including permanent incarceration.

We receive little or no training as to what the law actually is.

We are not really notified officially when the law changes.

The law is so complex that even fully trained professionals have to specialise in limited areas of it to get a reasonable understanding.

The process that establishes whether we broke the law or not requires at least half a dozen expensive and fully trained professionals and takes at least hours, and possibly days or even weeks.

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Originally posted by transient

Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by JimC

Sure, but are you going to prosecute everyone on every motorway who indulges in the far more dangerous habit of driving too close to the vehicle in front, which is why we get pileups in the first place? They'd never stop issuing tickets...

So your logic is that law braking should be allowed if a more serious offence is going on unpunished?

That is some crooked logic JimC ...

Society is run and ordered through rules/laws; some may seem petty but they generally have a purpose.

In principal none are more or less important to enforce than any other.

In this case these people may be preventing emergency services reaching someone in desperate need ... 


Since you've broadened the topic slightly.......do you observe all laws all the time regardless of the rights or wrongs?

Yes I do my best to do so; however if I transgress then I would accept the penalty given; I wouldn't bleat that I had a right to break a law because I was being delayed ... 

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Originally posted by Old Timer

Originally posted by JimC

Sure, but are you going to prosecute everyone on every motorway who indulges in the far more dangerous habit of driving too close to the vehicle in front, which is why we get pileups in the first place? They'd never stop issuing tickets...

So your logic is that law braking should be allowed if a more serious offence is going on unpunished?

That is some crooked logic JimC ...

Society is run and ordered through rules/laws; some may seem petty but they generally have a purpose.

In principal none are more or less important to enforce than any other.

In this case these people may be preventing emergency services reaching someone in desperate need ... 


Since you've broadened the topic slightly.......do you observe all laws all the time regardless of the rights or wrongs?
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Originally posted by JimC

Sure, but are you going to prosecute everyone on every motorway who indulges in the far more dangerous habit of driving too close to the vehicle in front, which is why we get pileups in the first place? They'd never stop issuing tickets...

So your logic is that law braking should be allowed if a more serious offence is going on unpunished?

That is some crooked logic JimC ...

Society is run and ordered through rules/laws; some may seem petty but they generally have a purpose.

In principal none are more or less important to enforce than any other.

In this case these people may be preventing emergency services reaching someone in desperate need ... 


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Sure, but are you going to prosecute everyone on every motorway who indulges in the far more dangerous habit of driving too close to the vehicle in front, which is why we get pileups in the first place? They'd never stop issuing tickets...

The striking thing about that video is that just about everyone in that lane turned off illegally. Now maybe that's because it just happened the video caught an unusual bunch of reckless drivers, or, just maybe, something's going on that isn't immediately obvious from the video.

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Despite what some say about people 'being sensible in bending the rules' (read that breaking the law) I am still firmly of the opinion that they all need to be prosecuted.

The prime concern of the emergency services is to deal with those who may need (life saving) treatment than in Johnny Q Repboy is going to be late for his next meeting.

The police/highways agency (in the event of serious accidents) will start to clear backed up traffic once they know the accident is being dealt with and as resources become free.

All these people are doing is creating the potential for another serious accident because they don't want to be stuck in a queue.
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Originally posted by JimC

Oh I see a problem all right, damn silly thing to do. But the smart money is someone did something a damn sight worse up the road to cause an accident that made the jam in the first place, and we aren't pillorying them.


When we encounter traffic that delays us that does not make it right to start ignoring the rules of the road in a selfish effort to minimise our own inconvenience. That typically just leads to more problems.




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