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    Posted: 02 Jun 15 at 3:21pm
Thanks skslr, excellent advice, the hoop was going anyway and I was going to trim the centre console there is way too much of it. Tbh the side tanks don't really support it that high out of the water but I guess they might if the bottom were to thick, it would be an absolute joy if it were double bottomed and done in the way you suggest, good to see someone else has some vision.
I've ordered those two Selden cheek blocks I can mount them so they are further outboard, I quite like those Turbo 60's thingies they came to me wrapped around a can of Frey bentos pie, given to me by a psychologically disturbed young man who I managed to save into the heaven that is windsurfing. Regrettably he took to swimming in birds mess and has caught pneumonia he's not expected to survive well not in the same form we knew him..


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You could do “dinghy land” a favor and drive the development of a “single wire skiff-type dinghy for two grown ups”  following the ISO / Laser 4000 forward.

The RS800 failed in the single wire version and 29er, RS500, V3000, Laser Vago etc. are just too small.

Cockpit·         Not having a double floor cockpit is a step back compared to all these and even many “traditional” classes other than the 505. To save some weight and get the centerboard closer to the water when capsized you could than cut out the side tanks like this  http://www.mader-boote.de/neue-boote/korsar/

·         Cutting down the centreboard case will also save some weight, control lines could be led to (and through) side decks as shown instead.

·         An aft briddle would allow to remove the mainsheet hoop. Less weight und way better optics.

·         Same for the mainsheet jammer, Auto ratchet block on the boom should work just fine.

·         If the added stiffness of the double floor allows a more open transom design would make  crawling in if all went wrong easier and look much better. (And make sure the builder did not hide some wood there)

 

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·         Some shiny carbon thing for the chute opening would be a lot more stylish

·         The sheaves to the right and left of the pole look so 1960s, replace by something like this https://www.coastwatersports.co.uk/selden-cheek-block-p-2304.html

·         Chute obviously needs to be black J

 

AltO  still got many things right, so there is some potential!
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Originally posted by tgruitt

I'm surprised to hear the Alto isn't self draining anyway.... That's a bit of an oversight isn't it?

That my friend is understatement of the week.
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This boat is also a sieve it's had that many holes drilled in it, I swear it even took on water towing it from the club to the man cave.


I assume this detail will be left off the classified ad if you come to sell it?

The beauty of epoxy filler, a sander and a good paint job.. unlike that wood stuff that rots from within..
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I'm surprised to hear the Alto isn't self draining anyway.... That's a bit of an oversight isn't it?
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Originally posted by Woodburner


This boat is also a sieve it's had that many holes drilled in it, I swear it even took on water towing it from the club to the man cave.


I assume this detail will be left off the classified ad if you come to sell it?
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I loved the Alto, and would have it off you Grumph, but I'm sure you couldn't afford to sell it for what I could afford to pay (2 Finns to support )
I don't know whether you boat has "grandfather" rights (in terms of class legal), but it'd be a brilliant "sh*ts'n'giggles" boat for windy days for someone.

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Originally posted by JimC

Not quite as simple as that. You need a positive slope from front to back at the most extreme bow down trim you will ever use, otherwise you end up with a puddle at the front in light airs and if you're going to do without a transom you need enough buoyancy aft to support helm weight while putting the rudder on.
Self draining boats that don't quite self drain are spectacularly irritating to sail.

Boats with pathetic self balers and flaps that leak are even more irritating i can assure you, this has a bulkhead and tanks at the mast base so the water collecting area is limited to the region around the CB case, so it could be done and it could be a retro fit if done professionally which they should consider, everything Bootscooter found in his review is spot on, and he sailed at Oxford, it's a lot worse in cross chop.

This boat is also a sieve it's had that many holes drilled in it, I swear it even took on water towing it from the club to the man cave.
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The problem is, the boat was a prototype to start with, to make it 'class legal' whatever that currently is, would need a different mast, boom, and main sail since they have all changed in the years and manufacturer changes, it went back to Rondar once for the 1st set of changes and after all the gel coat fell off the bottom, but it still has a superstars mast which is now proctor or selden and the main is smaller than mine.
I've sailed and enjoyed it for what it is, a super fun, fast yet easy to handle with a variety of crews racing dinghy, it has given us great times over the years, but it was just getting too heavy to haul up and down the beach, the flushers are shot and so are all the ropes and wires, as are the rags, so it badly needed a makeover which is what it is going to get. The only time it goes anywhere is occasionally to round the isle of sheppey but i doubt I shall do that now they've screwed the yardstick below the 505 another example of blundering incompetence by you know who.
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Major mods would only need permission if the boat is to race as an Alto. Otherwise, it is really up to an owner what he wants to do with a boat.

Of course, the downside is that you end up with a boat which could well be worthless, and you have no one to race against as a class, but in this case I'm not sure the owner cares.

Personally, I'd try and make the boat the best sorted Alto out there if she were mine, but if I've learned anything about our multi personality grf/WB is that experimenting is in the genes, so will feel stifled by rules!
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