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    Posted: 22 May 15 at 10:50pm
Everything's too bloody heavy, ever since I've been around this sport there are tales of bad backs, pulled muscles, shoulders etc. We don't need it, even this Icon built recently by an alleged high performance builder is stupidly heavy.

Whereas in every other field of human leisure endeavour light weight is key and all innovation trends to that end, only in this screwed up world is the opposite the case, it's totally mental and no wonder numbers are falling off.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

It depends on how big your heavy helm is. 80kg works fine on a Farr 3.7.

If we are talking much more than that I would expect the 90kg > 120kg helm to be able to pull just about anything up a slipway. If the boat is still breaking your back and you are that big a helm, I think you need to see a doctor and maybe give up sailing. Because you clearly have a back problem that needs medical attention.


As much as I like the Farr, it is 2-3 feet too short and an 80kg helm is too much unless you sail in a regular 20-25 knots in Auckland harbour.   Think about how an 80 kg helm will do on a (biggish) UK inland water in 8 - 10 knots.  I can tell you, they'll do rubbish.

Even if you are reasonably fit and 85kg, you don't want to be hauling a Contender, at about 100kg (all up), up the slip.   You will get a slipped disc and need a doctor.   As Woodburner said, the Contender is simply too heavy and the class should bite the bullet on this.   There are ten Contenders on Apollo Duck, all are fit for the knackers yard and dropping the hull weight 30 kg won't make them worth a penny less. 




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When we messed about with an L2 a few years ago and broke the jib halyard, I think? 'He' tied a bit of stick to the extension. I cant remember but do L2's have a deck step mast? Stick a plate on and move it forward 6". Horrible mast though....
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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

It depends on how big your heavy helm is. 80kg works fine on a Farr 3.7.

If we are talking much more than that I would expect the 90kg > 120kg helm to be able to pull just about anything up a slipway. If the boat is still breaking your back and you are that big a helm, I think you need to see a doctor and maybe give up sailing. Because you clearly have a back problem that needs medical attention.
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Twin extensions? Bit of a faff, though. Personally, I'd simply go aft main, so as to be able to hold extension and sheet in one hand easily while playing the jib, but I know I'm in the minority there!
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Originally posted by Rupert


Laser II is a very cheap way of doing things, has to be said. Keep the jib, though, you soon get used to bringing it across.


The only issue I can see with a Laser II, is you would need to rearrange the mainsheet so you could tack/gybe and keep an extension long enough to trapeze with, or alternatively go telescopic on every change of tack! Agree with keeping the jib otherwise likely to introduce significant weather helm.
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I can see the 500 being sailed singlehanded, but I can't imagine it being that much fun except for a blast around, as none of the controls are set up for it.

Laser II is a very cheap way of doing things, has to be said. Keep the jib, though, you soon get used to bringing it across.
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Laser two with no jib. Cant get cheaper than that!
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Originally posted by turnturtle


Anyone have any experience of single handing / single stringing an RS500?  
I couldn't think of a worse form of sailing torture, other than a 'dry' none alcoholic Merlin Nationals, they're weather helmed at the best of times, maybe do able with the small rig but they aint many of them about. I've seen the V3000 sailed I wouldn't exactly say successfully but it got round the course so maybe with practise.

My recent thinking on the Phantom was wether it could be extended for two light weights with a jib, they are so light to manoeuvre about and my crew has a prolapsed disc so we struggle to manouevre pretty much anything around on the beach, these effing dinghies are a health hazard they are so heavy it's time folk started suing..


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