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    Posted: 21 May 15 at 1:18pm
As much as the Contender looks pretty cool, is great in a big breeze and a heavy helm delight, it is a weighty beast and breaks one's back pulling it up the slip.    So, the alternatives:

The RS600 is lightweight, a twitchy so and so, equipped with scaffolding and maybe better suited to lighter helms.
Farr 3.7 looks great, light but is really a light weight's boat.
Int Canoe.   Umm, fab but the new ones are serious money and again looks like a light weights boat.

I can't think of any other single sail, trapeze single handers for round the cans racing.  So, what about putting trapeze on a Phantom?    Would it be a bit like a Farr 3.7 but for bigger people?   Or is the hull/sail shape all wrong?

Or a trapeze on a Blaze Halo as it is but bin the scaffolding?

Just pondering things.






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I think the last of those would work well, but really the Contender has the market sewn up for one design racing with trapeze and no spinnaker.
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RS600 is an excellent big persons boat, and in their heyday they were dominated by helms weighing 85-95kg.
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My brother in law, who is 6'2" tall sailed a 600 for years before swapping to a Musto. I can't remember him ever saying he felt too big for it.

He did swim a lot, though!
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I agree two things, the Contender has the market sewn up, limited as it is but secondly that it is too stupidly heavy, especially on a day like sunday when we had the contenders down and even they got blown off, luckily I had to leave having got the Snipes up the beach (even more stupid weight), I didn't want to bugger my back up lifting all that lead out of a shore dump.

Imagine what a down to weight modern version of the Contender might achieve, it might even broaden their market sector.


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Some classes it has worked, others have died when major changes have been made to boats. I can see why they wouldn't want to risk making changes to a worldwide successful fleet. 10kg could be knocked off, though - all the new boats must be carrying that anyway. For some reason, I think that is planned anyway? Or am I mixing up wishes and reality again?
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Originally posted by Surfasaurus

RS600 is an excellent big persons boat, and in their heyday they were dominated by helms weighing 85-95kg.


Too tippy.   Yep, they can be got to grips with but I'm after a more stable platform.   But interesting to know they are ok for bigger helms.  Thanks.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I think the last of those would work well, but really the Contender has the market sewn up for one design racing with trapeze and no spinnaker.


Don't have time to do an open meeting schedule.   It's just for hacking around the cans in the club h/c races.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I think the last of those would work well, but really the Contender has the market sewn up for one design racing with trapeze and no spinnaker.


Don't have time to do an open meeting schedule.   It's just for hacking around the cans in the club h/c races.


What it means is that choice becomes limited, as no other boat has ever managed to gain true traction, so you can't decide to buy a Delta instead, as they never really sold any. Offhand, I( can't think of the names of other attempts at breaking into the market, but the 600 is the only one which made any impact at all.
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"I can't think of any other single sail, trapeze single handers for round the cans racing.  So, what about putting trapeze on a Phantom?    Would it be a bit like a Farr 3.7 but for bigger people?   Or is the hull/sail shape all wrong?"

Back in the day (1973/74), I remember some local South Coast boat builders,  built 3 or 4 Phantoms over a winter (their sail nos were 98-101). After a year, given that they were not big guys, they put trapezes on them, and it seemed to work OK. ( These were single floor plywood boats with Needlespars so not the stiffest combos). Now Phantoms are double bottomed  the platform looks even more suitable to adding a trapeze IMHO.

Others more knowledgeable of current Phantoms may know why it might not be suitable.
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