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    Posted: 14 Apr 15 at 9:25am


Originally posted by Oli

 Transient its relevant because the system we have is one that takes all those things into account, crew skill factor boat age and all the rest of the small factors that effect performance, it is after all a  performance based system so how can it not be relevant?  you seem to be asking for one thing and not accepting it requires the other, they go hand in hand.


Yes, you are right Oli. I didn't phrase my response very well. 

Obviously these things will always be relevant in the general scheme of the PY but in the case of the L2 the returned data over the last few years has clearly gone sour. The data that caused the 60 point shift is of poorer quality than data returned at the boat's peak........The sour data and the 60 30 points should be declared irrelevant IMO and be chucked in the bin. 

.......right, I'm definitely done on this subject now  LOL

Edit for clarity: When I say poorer quality I mean poorer in relation to it's purpose i.e. establishing the true potential speed of the boat.

Edited to correct typo

Edited by transient - 15 Apr 15 at 4:05pm
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Originally posted by MerlinMags

We're never going to find an accurate comparison system when all the sailors creating the data are of differing abilities, on different bits of water.

We simply have to get Nick Craig to sail every class of boat, on the sea/lake/river, in F1/2/3/4/5/6 wind. Then we'll have an accurate datum to compare to.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a good sailor like Nick. You could use a crap sailor like me. So long as my meagre abilities stay the same, I could be employed to sail all these boats in all these venues, and the results would be equally useful.

If you can just arrange for my salary to be paid for 300 days of sailing, I'd happily solve the problem for you all.

I think the first thing we need to do is to send you off on a two year sabbatical learning dinghy skills from ever sector of the boat park.  After all, you're probably handier (or in my case not quite as crap) in one type of boat over another.  I know my own trapeze skills are woeful and my knowledge of what to do with fast pins precludes me from any stayed rig boats.  I'd hate to think what would happen if I applied my shabby boat handling skills to a foiling moth, or worse, my rig awareness to something like a Merlin or Hornet where you don't just shove it in '4th hole down'.  

Once you've completed your two year stint of sailing all manner of dinghies, ideally in stable wind locations with consistent mid-twenties temperatures,  then we can begin the process of assessing each boat using your homogeneous skill levels at the ponds and estuaries of GB.  

Allowing for decrepitude before you are put out to pasture, I reckon this is at least a 60 month contract with options to renew... best you now go set up some crowd funding page Mags.  

 I'll add a fiver.


Edited by turnturtle - 14 Apr 15 at 9:30am
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Originally posted by MerlinMags

We're never going to find an accurate comparison system when all the sailors creating the data are of differing abilities, 

I can live with that but I also think that some ways of doing things will be better than others.

returns that suggest a slower handicap should definitely be flagged for further thought.


....OK, I'm off to apollo duck now, I want to see if L2 second hand prices  are on their way up yet Wink


Edited by transient - 14 Apr 15 at 12:03pm
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