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    Posted: 11 Apr 15 at 8:51pm
I suppose the basic trouble is that there is far more scope for sailing a boat slower than its basic potential than there is being a sailing god and working that extra little bit of almost unattainable potential from a design, so once the bubble bursts on a class as a racing fleet, the drop off is pretty rapid.
I'd say your conscience is clear on this one, though. Butter write it down the side of the boat, though!
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Originally posted by Rupert

I suppose the basic trouble is that there is far more scope for sailing a boat slower than its basic potential than there is being a sailing god and working that extra little bit of almost unattainable potential from a design, so once the bubble bursts on a class as a racing fleet, the drop off is pretty rapid.
I'd say your conscience is clear on this one, though. Butter write it down the side of the boat, though!

That's a very good point, Rupert, and the L2 is an easy boat for novices to sail slowly, when in a Wayfarer the boat would look after their performance better.

I'm also thinking Transient will be happier with his new PY when the wind is light - racing in those conditions will no longer feel such a mission impossible. Under the old PY system when the L2 was 109, we would have needed 112 to take on the local Wayfarer ace in light airs on a lake, while on a windy day we could have won on 102!
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac


That's a very good point, Rupert, and the L2 is an easy boat for novices to sail slowly, when in a Wayfarer the boat would look after their performance better.

I'm also thinking Transient will be happier with his new PY when the wind is light - racing in those conditions will no longer feel such a mission impossible. Under the old PY system when the L2 was 109, we would have needed 112 to take on the local Wayfarer ace in light airs on a lake, while on a windy day we could have won on 102!


Although light wind sailing has always been a bit arduous we are not that bad in the low end. We are at the light end of the preferred weight for the class. If we get the light wind tricks right and do them meticulously it's not always a complete disaster. 

....and as we all know the L2 is a heavy wind star.....but that really is not much of an advantage and it never has been in handicap races. Bombing around in 6s and 7s is absolutely no good when every one else in the race has retired.


We've been in the L2 for 10 years now so we are not dummies when it comes to sailing them. 1065 may be correct for the average L2 crews these days but I know it's not correct for the boat.

...such is life.

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So another vote for a boat driven handicap number system?
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A boat driven (measurement?) System would have every boat wrong, not just ones in this situation.
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I suspect if Transient and crew top the bill for more than one annual prize giving, pressure will be put on the committee from sailors of other fleets within the Club to make the local adjustments that the majority of Clubs seem so reluctant to do.
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Happy to lose to Transient any day, it's those L2K's that needle me!
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Originally posted by Rupert

A boat driven (measurement?) System would have every boat wrong, not just ones in this situation.

Maybe, but with a committee of enthusiasts bent on getting it right rather than blindly following crap data, wrongs could quickly be made right rather than waiting years..
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How would we know what the wrongs were? How would we know whether the differences were due to the sailors or whether the measurement rule was wrong? Guesswork?
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