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Rupert 
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 Topic: Embarrassed L2 SailorPosted: 07 Apr 15 at 5:34pm |
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Ignoring the usual bleats from WB, my rough calculation is 20 points per minute in a 50 minute race, so your 49 seconds would tie in with that, really. It is quite a lot - usually a couple of places on the spreadsheet, I'd say.
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solutiongirl
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 5:40pm |
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I think you're in the enviable position of being able to have your cake (chocolates) and eat it (them). You've recognised that the handicap is wrong, offered up to have it docked and been turned down on the basis that it's not fair to others. Now get out there and enjoy winning, safe in the knowledge that no one can call you a bandit because you offered to take a correction!
The problem with the PY system is its all relative. A class that hasn't changed gets relatively slower against classes that are evolving to go faster. You can drop the numbers on the changing boats and leave the others the same or you can move them both around an arbitrary centre point. Net effect is the same. And you can take comfort in the fact that every race you win is doing its bit to fix the statistics for next year's PY number... |
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2547
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 5:52pm |
Of course there is ... the PY is a function of the craft and the average level of skill in that class. If you sail a very competitive class for example a 505 you'd expect the average CSF to be higher than perhaps the average crew in say a Wanderer ... So if you are a sad individual who wants to win on PY get a boat in which the average skill level is low ... I will let you make your own conclusions which classes to choose ...
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Rupert
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 6:01pm |
And if one still don't win, accept that maybe one is of below average skill level... or that the sailors in the chosen class have more idea what they are doing than you gave them credit for. |
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transient
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 6:27pm |
I like your thinking  Sounds very reasonable to me.@ Mr. 2547 I know there will always be skill disparity between different classes. I also know it will effect the PY numbers to a certain degree......but the L2 situation is extreme me thinks. There are still some very good sailors in the L2 (thinking Lancing SC) but they are now very few and far between. The ones that have stuck with the class aren't getting any younger though. Thanks for your responses, food for thought. |
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NickA
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 6:32pm |
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What solution girl says!!!!
The reality is that most people racing a laser 2 don't do it very well and/or have a pretty beat up one. And when I had such a beat up one and was a total beginner to boot; I could still do OK in a blow but found it terrible slow in light winds ... so things evened out a tad. The 2000 has a bandit handicap for anyone really good .. as most "really good" people have moved on to faster harder boats (like RS400 for example). The Laser 3000 also has a "favourable" PY for the same reasons as the laser2, which if applied to the V3000 is a joke. I've taken a personal handicap for my V3k and if anyone objects to me winning, I volunteer another cut. The Catamarans have it right perhaps. The SCHRS system (http://www.schrs.com/) is based on absolute boat design, not on past results ... but then can't compensate for aging classes! Basically if you really want to fleet race, find a class that has a local fleet!
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GarethT
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 7:59pm |
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What was the weather like?
When we sailed a laser 2 (in the olden days) we were, in handicap racing, relatively untouchable on a breezy day, but nowhere when it was light. Factor that in before being too harsh on yourself. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 8:48pm |
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Do "really good" people move on to harder, faster boats? That hasn't been my experience at all - if anything, they move into the classes where they get the best racing. Just look at the Solo fleet. But there are enough "really good" people spread around an awful lot of classes to give good racing pretty much anywhere there is a popular open meeting circuit for anyone barring a sailing god.
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sargesail
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Posted: 07 Apr 15 at 11:31pm |
If it's breezy it can be a bandit. If it's light forget it! Re moving on - you'll note the 2000 reps position at the 2012 and 2013 Endeavour then? And of course lots of them sail in fleets (as you recommend) so some of the 'better' sailors results stay off the PY return.
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MerlinMags
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Posted: 08 Apr 15 at 8:29am |
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Keep racing and try to beat the other boats by 49 seconds in order to get your own personal victory.
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