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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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I'll apologise in advance, the subject is the PY list. I get bored reading about the subject..........but I have a specific issue.
We've had a gap year because I got fed up with the whole scene but anyway: Me and the wife have returned in our L2. Even before our first race I suspected that the current new PY of 1065 gave the boat a severe case of banditry, and I was right. We had our first race this weekend, we were rusty as hell. taking ages to settle into each new leg and after each tack/gybe........excluding a single handed Hobie 16 (Well Done that man) we won the chocolates. We did celebrate but I'm now left with that hollow victory feeling. We beat folk that we should never beat, they are much better sailors than us.......when I say "much" I mean "MUCH" I am normally an advocate of handicap racing and I have great respect for the PY system but in this specific case it is severely wrong. I now sail a bandit and I'm embarrassed. So my question is: With a boat that has been extremely popular and sailed by skilled sailors in the past. with a PY that has been stable for years and years. That has had NO alterations to it's class rules over those years.
That now has poorer returned results that are totally accounted for by diminishing skill factor. Why alter it's PY? Edited by transient - 07 Apr 15 at 1:14pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I would say because that is how the system works. At what point would you decide to stop the changes for a particular class? My suggestion would be for you to approach your club and request they use the old handicap to score your results.
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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I'm in the process of doing that. However I do appreciate the difficulties this may cause. The argument that clubs should be altering for local conditions is (IMO) a pointless argument. The fact is that many clubs are dead against this and always will be........it's no good saying it "should" happen, we all have to work within the parameters of what "is" happening. At what point would you decide to stop the changes for a particular class?
at the point a boat fits the criteria I've outlined. The alterations over the last 2 years as far as I can see are completely and utterly down to falling skill factor within the class. Edited by transient - 07 Apr 15 at 1:37pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I agree about local conditions - for most clubs it would simply be either a guess or personal handicapping. However, your situation is a little different, so it should work.
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Noah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Dec 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 611 |
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As far as I can tell, there's no allowance in the number-crunching for CSF. The system assumes that everyone is Joe Average, doesn't it? In theory this all evens itself out because the muppets balance the rock stars, but at a local level this won't happen, the sample just ain't big enough.
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transient ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
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Yep maybe. The difficulty the club has is that there are other L2 sailors at the club. Why should they run the risk of upsetting those fine folk just to satisfy one grumpy old git. Maybe a consensual compromise can be reached. ...as an aside: Thoroughly enjoyed the sailing again. It was a fantastic day :-) |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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You do need to talk to them first! And compare results.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Have you recalculated the results on the old handicap to see what would have happened? Handicaps rarely make a big difference, maybe you just threw a six on every shift (and used up all your luck for the entire season!)
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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The very basis of my long standing beef with them. At least you have the good grace to feel uncomfortable. 'They' certainly haven't any sense of shame at the effect their (and I so hate to keep using the term but CAG! 'computer assisted gerrymandering') is having in our collective world.
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