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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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They keep talking about getting one at our club and looking at me all the time...
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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They do work. The latest research shows that time to shock is the most important factor in surviving a cardiac arrest. The skin needs to be dry so it does not short accross the skin, and or get those standing around. It will only activate if there is a heart rythm that will benefit from a shock. Otherwise it tells you do chest compressions. Remember the staying alive Vinny Jones advert. Cardiac arrest is not what most people refer to as a heart attack, though may be caused by one.
The most likely people to benefit are the elder social members, though I have lost three friends to on the water cardiac arrest. One in his 20's. If you are going to get one for your club. Try to be part of a community scheme. A green box with a key code on the outside of the building. Make sure it is plugged in and that the plug is protected from accidental disconnection or switching off by the green minded. I would bring the casualty off the water rather than take it in a wet boat. Andy |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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I know people keep on about wet skin and that, but what about a spectator needing it? Clubs are bout just about sailors
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Sorry, that wasn't intended towards you personally, just part of general reminding all round that the most important thing is always making sure the 999 call goes in as early as possible ![]() As has also been stated, and as I alluded to earlier, the machine won't shock unless conditions are met, so it would detect a 'functioning' heart and wouldn't shock. |
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Lukepiewalker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 24 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1341 |
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Of course that has to be a consideration too, but the OP specifically referenced carrying it in a rescue boat. That would be the other advantage of having it on shore, it would be readily available for all eventualities, and could be maintained in a single location so everyone would always know where to find it. |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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a friend was saved in a bar in Germany, they had a defibrilator and they got his ticker ticking again before the ambulance got there, can't see the addition into sports clubs as anything other than positive here, for every (very highly publicised no doubt, the brits love bad news) situation where one's use will cause an issue, there will be many where a life will be saved, IMO
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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We have one. Hope it will never be used, but a % will be, and if it saves lives, good. Not used my 1st aid ticket, but many will have. All about averages.
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Considering that most clubs are miles from the nearest ambulance stations it would appear prudent to have one, whether it be for a competitor or for someone on shore.
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tickel ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Dec 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 408 |
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I seem to have reverted to an earlier username. Odd.
I am convinced that these defibrillator things work now, but, from my garden I can see Kinder Scout (Peak District). In my personal experience two people have died up there in the last 20 years due to heart problems. Up there it is helicopter or nothing, no roads just Mountain Rescue who no doubt carry resuscitation equipment. I see no more reason to install them at sailing clubs than anywhere else that there are people. |
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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Many sailing clubs are somewhat remote, even the more (sub)urban ones ... ( i've been to more than few Sailing clubs where the distance from the nearest 'council' road to the club house is half a mile or more down unsurfaced tracks , which adds to response times whether community FR/ a blue light solo responder or the actual ambulance ...
in terms of carrying one on a rescue boat it'll depend on the situation ... on some waters i 'd rather take a casualty to the closest bank / best road access than back tothe club house
but in terms of performing CPR and using a defib on the water - most rescue boats are too small and too wet. The current orthodaxy of thought in Ambulance work is to work cardiac arrests to completion at scene / closest safe place to scene unless there are very particualr reasons to transfer to hospital without ROSC ( return of spontaneous circulation) ... AEDs are very easy to use and comparritively cheap ( cheap machines under 1000 gbp , professional grade ones 1000- 1500 gbp ) |
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