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    Posted: 04 Apr 15 at 7:51pm
They keep talking about getting one at our club and looking at me all the time...
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They do work. The latest research shows that time to shock is the most important factor in surviving a cardiac arrest. The skin needs to be dry so it does not short accross the skin, and or get those standing around. It will only activate if there is a heart rythm that will benefit from a shock. Otherwise it tells you do chest compressions. Remember the staying alive Vinny Jones advert. Cardiac arrest is not what most people refer to as a heart attack, though may be caused by one.
The most likely people to benefit are the elder social members, though I have lost three friends to on the water cardiac arrest. One in his 20's.
If you are going to get one for your club. Try to be part of a community scheme. A green box with a key code on the outside of the building. Make sure it is plugged in and that the plug is protected from accidental disconnection or switching off by the green minded.
I would bring the casualty off the water rather than take it in a wet boat.

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I know people keep on about wet skin and that, but what about a spectator needing it? Clubs are bout just about sailors
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If you were referring to me Lukepiewalker and my heart attack, no I did not call an ambulance but flew to Copenhagen. An uncomfortable few days before being hospitalised and stented in England. In a way that is what worries me. Heart attacks come in many shapes and sizes. What would happen if you wanged someone whose ticker was still ticking?


Sorry, that wasn't intended towards you personally, just part of general reminding all round that the most important thing is always making sure the 999 call goes in as early as possible Smile

As has also been stated, and as I alluded to earlier, the machine won't shock unless conditions are met, so it would detect a 'functioning' heart and wouldn't shock.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

I know people keep on about wet skin and that, but what about a spectator needing it? Clubs are bout just about sailors


Of course that has to be a consideration too, but the OP specifically referenced carrying it in a rescue boat. That would be the other advantage of having it on shore, it would be readily available for all eventualities, and could be maintained in a single location so everyone would always know where to find it.
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a friend was saved in a bar in Germany, they had a defibrilator and they got his ticker ticking again before the ambulance got there, can't see the addition into sports clubs as anything other than positive here, for every (very highly publicised no doubt, the brits love bad news) situation where one's use will cause an issue, there will be many where a life will be saved, IMO
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We have one. Hope it will never be used, but a % will be, and if it saves lives, good. Not used my 1st aid ticket, but many will have. All about averages.
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Considering that most clubs are miles from the nearest ambulance stations it would appear prudent to have one, whether it be for a competitor or for someone on shore.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tickel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 15 at 10:49am
I seem to have reverted to an earlier username. Odd.

I am convinced that these defibrillator things work now, but, from my garden I can see Kinder Scout (Peak District). In my personal experience two people have died up there in the last 20 years due to heart problems. Up there it is helicopter or nothing, no roads just Mountain Rescue who no doubt carry resuscitation equipment. I see no more reason to install them at sailing clubs than anywhere else that there are people.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Apr 15 at 5:03pm
Many sailing clubs are somewhat remote,  even the more (sub)urban ones ...  ( i've been to more than few Sailing clubs where  the distance from the nearest  'council' road to the  club house is half a mile or more   down  unsurfaced  tracks , which adds to response times  whether community FR/ a blue light solo  responder  or the actual ambulance ...

 in terms of carrying one on a rescue boat it'll depend on the situation ... on some waters  i
'd  rather take  a casualty to the closest  bank  / best road access  than back tothe club house 

 but in terms of performing CPR and  using  a defib on the water - most rescue boats are too small and too wet.  The current   orthodaxy of thought  in Ambulance work is to work  cardiac arrests  to completion  at scene /  closest safe place to scene  unless there are very particualr  reasons to  transfer to hospital without  ROSC ( return of spontaneous circulation) ... 

AEDs are very  easy to use  and  comparritively cheap (  cheap machines  under 1000 gbp , professional grade ones   1000- 1500 gbp )
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