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    Posted: 04 Apr 15 at 3:41pm
We have a defibrilator at our club! Does anyone else have one? Probably 40 years ago we did have a cardiac death but I doubt if a defibrilator would have saved him.

The question I am asking is has anyone heard of one of these machines saving a life?

We have a spare rib at the club thanks to RYA I would install the defibrillator in it, paint red crosses over it and rush about saving lives, like in Venice. Very cool.

So answer my question about the saving of life? Also, if I throw it in the lake will it kill the fish and will it start a car?
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Given the requirement for dry skin, I wouldn't have a defibrillator on the water. I also wouldn't want to try and remove enough clothing on the water to get to bare skin. The mobile defibrillators are designed to be foolproof (I know, rash statement) and won't deliver a shock unless certain parameters are met.
The other question would be as to how far your club is from A&E and an Ambulance. The further away you are (ie the longer you have to wait), the more tools you would want. The most important thing is always getting the Ambulance called as soon as possible.

So to answer your questions, no I have no personal experience of such a device saving someones life, it shouldn't kill the fish (allowing for the fact you've just lobbed a battery in the lake), and it won't start your car.

Did I mention the importance of that 999 call?


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Burton Sailing Club bought one or two of the things last year. I wouldn't call it a complete waste of money but I wouldn't say it was the best use of the club's funds either.
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we've got one at blackwater sc, don't know if it's been used in anger yet though.  as for saving people, they definitely do, the cars and fish thing would be down to end user experimentation i guess... Confused
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So it won't work if the recipient is wet? Bearing in mind that if you die whilst sailing there must be a very good chance of falling in...it's use may be limited. I had a heart attack last year (so they told me) but that was in an airport car park and I was not dead. Pleasant 7 days in hospital though....I do not wish to be offensively flippant obviously it MAY be of use sometime. We also have a hair dryer in the ladies changing room. Sex discrimination. 
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I think we can safely say you would have them back ashore to use it, unless you have a really big committee boat. A heart attack doesn't necessarily lead to a cardiac arrest, so having a heart attack doesn't mean you need defibrillation. But if you need defibrillation, then you really want to have it I would say

Did I mention calling an ambulance?
You did call an ambulance, didn't you?

Edit to add, the patient can be wet, but the areas  the pads are applied to need to be dry, so you wouldn't necessarily have to dry their legs too...


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We have one at Frensham. We had a member collapse last summer - was n't breathing, no pulse. We are out in the sticks so it takes a fair while for emergency services to get to us. The Ambulance crews said our first-aiders, with the defibulator, saved his life, they'd have been too late. Happy ending all around - he was back sailing a few weeks after.

So they seem expensive until it saves someones life...
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By the same logic, why learn CPR?

We have one at our club and I desperately hope it never gets used, but I'm glad it's there.
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Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

I think we can safely say you would have them back ashore to use it, unless you have a really big committee boat. A heart attack doesn't necessarily lead to a cardiac arrest, so having a heart attack doesn't mean you need defibrillation. But if you need defibrillation, then you really want to have it I would say

Did I mention calling an ambulance?
You did call an ambulance, didn't you?

Edit to add, the patient can be wet, but the areas  the pads are applied to need to be dry, so you wouldn't necessarily have to dry their legs too...

If you were referring to me Lukepiewalker and my heart attack, no I did not call an ambulance but flew to Copenhagen. An uncomfortable few days before being hospitalised and stented in England. In a way that is what worries me. Heart attacks come in many shapes and sizes. What would happen if you wanged someone whose ticker was still ticking?
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Originally posted by fab100

We have one at Frensham. We had a member collapse last summer - was n't breathing, no pulse. We are out in the sticks so it takes a fair while for emergency services to get to us. The Ambulance crews said our first-aiders, with the defibulator, saved his life, they'd have been too late. Happy ending all around - he was back sailing a few weeks after.

So they seem expensive until it saves someones life...




That is very interesting, I am glad the outcome was happy, any others?
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