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    Posted: 25 Jan 15 at 9:53pm
Did you own Nick Craig then Russ?
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don't look at the OK handicap over this meeting look at it over a longer time frame of these type of events. It does not work, either on handicap or pursuit. Great sailors who win regularly in other classes fail to win in the OK even though they have sailed them for years. QED.

Overall pretty irrelevant to OK sailors who still get good sailing with each other. However there is a load of moaning about other boats which are apparently 1% or so wrong!
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dan the upwind leg was pretty minimal mate!  I beat nick Craig and Charlie Cumbley on the water in First I think finished next door to Jim Hunt, so they will of slapped me on PY.  Second race, not sure what happened, but I went from being about 10th round windward mark to last zero by leeward mark thanks to huge rafting issues and wind holes.   All my fault, obviously but a little frustrating as the pack was so tight with such a tiny mainly reaching course that it was inevitable.  I wouldn't want to take away from the event as I love it, and the club.  But I was a little frustrated in myself and how things panned out.

I think most would agree the ok handicap is a little harsh Jon, no one is ever really going to argue that.  However is that not for a py thread??  Or maybe for the ok owners to moan about, because where I am sat they all look pretty happy.  One of my best mates races and Ok, he is a very good sailor I beleive his personal handicap in his ok is something like 120 points off that of the standard py.  Not bad for a boat with an obvious handicapped, handicap.  Or maybe it isn't so bad across a range of conditions?
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Jeez, I just wouldn't travel 100s of miles for this sort of thing. Admire the resolve of those that do, but this isn't sport as far as I'm concerned. A lottery of who's got the right ratings, the right course, and the right boat, on the right day. I can get this at my home club any weekend of the year for a microcosm of the cost! In fact, I think we just, for once, just this once, blew off Endeavour Trophy 2nd place today. Just maybe. Travelled 9 miles, and a few beers for me partner to do that.
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Back in history the OK was something of a PY hitter, all the more so in the light stuff. I remember them walloping a very high class fleet in a light airs Burnham Icicle (when that was just about 'the' premier winter event) - a wonderfully named boat too - hoof hearted!

An another example of how the shifting sands of the PY system can cast doubt over how the numbers are arrived at.
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Just as a bit of perspective over the last 50 odd years the OK PY number has varied between 1100 and 1116. Not that a 1965 OK is any more like a 2015 OK than a 1965 Fireball is like a 2015 one.

Edited by JimC - 25 Jan 15 at 11:11pm
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At the winter series I'm doing the OKs (PY 1100) start with the Lasers (PY1088) and generally beat them around the course.  YMMV.
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Results now received from NSC
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The OK results look pretty much mixed in with the Solos. There are some big names in the OKs, but as we all "know" that the Solo handicap is quite kind, maybe the OK one isn't far off right?
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Posts: 750 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Hector Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 15 at 11:43am
Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

<div style="color: rgb34, 34, 34; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: normal;">This year the clubs have found results a challenge,  mainly on lap counting and the bigger fleets.  There doesn't seem to be a standard way of recording,  each club does it differently,  we are looking at standardisation going forward.<div style="color: rgb34, 34, 34; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: normal;"><div style="color: rgb34, 34, 34; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: small; line-height: normal;">Still waiting on results


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