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    Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 5:18pm
Originally posted by iGRF


And whilst they're at it explaining what a Captive de raker is and why I need it. I know I need it, it's shiny new and therefore I have to have one, but what does it do? The Captive de raker bit? Where's that everything you need to know about dinghy boats book? Oh that's right it's not been written yet.

It is a simple device that means when you are changing rake on the water the shroud can never come away and allow your mast to fall down.

There are two pins through the slot ... so if you drop the rig tension off, then remove the bottom pins, then re-apply the rig tension the rig is now less raked - hence de-raker.

Simple ...


Mostly used on classes where adjustable shrouds are not permitted; e.g. 470.


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I am about to get a run of flat hooks made per the discussions.

The more I get made the cheaper they will be so please let me know if you are interested.

My son is currently using a borrowed one on our ALTO and finding it fine.  I think they have a huge advantage on the safety front & also on the boat damage front.

Of course, you will need to get a sail maker or similar to attach it to your harness.
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I am about to get a run of flat hooks made per the discussions.

The more I get made the cheaper they will be so please let me know if you are interested.

My son is currently using a borrowed one on our ALTO and finding it fine.  I think they have a huge advantage on the safety front & also on the boat damage front.

Of course, you will need to get a sail maker or similar to attach it to your harness.
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These are the flush hooks (see page 1) that Richard M is talking about.  Be gentle with him, he's new to the forum!

Do you have a photo you can upload Richard (there's a challenge).  Click on "Post Reply" (at bottom left) and look out for the image icon in the pop-up.
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Originally posted by Richard M

<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">I am about to get a run of flat hooks made per the discussions.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">The more I get made the cheaper they will be so please let me know if you are interested.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">My son is currently using a borrowed one on our ALTO and finding it fine.  I think they have a huge advantage on the safety front & also on the boat damage front.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Of course, you will need to get a sail maker or similar to attach it to your harness.</span>



I hope you have substantial product liability insurance.

If there were a tragic accident you may find the deceased family come after you.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

These are the flush hooks (see page 1) that Richard M is talking about.  Be gentle with him, he's new to the forum![


Can he play the banjo? Give us a bit of a dual?

Edited by iGRF - 20 Nov 14 at 7:50pm
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I have tried uploading photos but they wont load for some reason - they're not too big, I've checked.  I can email my photos to you if I have an address.
Earlier on the forum there were some photos which are exactly the same as the unit I am copying.  
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Here are Richard M's photos of the flush hook mounted in his own harness.  He is about to place an order for a batch of hooks to be made up.  Those interested in using them (at their own risk, 2547  Wink)  just send him a Private Message.




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Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by Richard M

<span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">I am about to get a run of flat hooks made per the discussions.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">The more I get made the cheaper they will be so please let me know if you are interested.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">My son is currently using a borrowed one on our ALTO and finding it fine.  I think they have a huge advantage on the safety front & also on the boat damage front.</span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;"></span><div style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><span style="line-height: 16.7999992370605px;">Of course, you will need to get a sail maker or similar to attach it to your harness.</span>



I hope you have substantial product liability insurance.

If there were a tragic accident you may find the deceased family come after you.


if you want to go down that route ...

he is selling a component , one less liely to fail than a conventional harness plate   with it;s  welds  etc ... the far greater  risk is  of  strap failure especially if stictching has to bechanged to  replace the plate  

btw,  is your rig and harness checked every 6 months by a competent  external inspector and do you  maintain records of this ... 

( because patient slings  which are not single patient use  semi disposable  for  the hoists used in health and social care have to be inspected  under LOLER ...  ditt o work place  fall arrest and  highangle access kit)
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