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    Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 10:01pm
Nothing that new about it just revisiting a system already available in other markets..
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Allen acknowledge Bethwaite in the write-up, for goodness sake.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Allen acknowledge Bethwaite in the write-up, for goodness sake.

Allen does, and I've no concern over their ethical approach to this.  Good on them for bringing the innovation to market- I hope it saves lives.

My question was over university plagiarism, not copyright / patent infringement, if as was suggested, this product is the result of university final year product that might not reference the Bethwaite original concept.
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

Allen acknowledge Bethwaite in the write-up, for goodness sake.

Allen does, and I've no concern over their ethical approach to this.  Good on them for bringing the innovation to market- I hope it saves lives.


I think Allen have moved this concept forward a little ... I suspect the success or failure of this system is in the subtle design of the socket to make the "hooking" (or balling) in & out easy whilst making sure the ball does not disengage when the crew is squirming about on the wire ...

My only experience of QR hooks has been negative when a hook released at random whilst I was on the wire ... it went straight in the bin at that point.
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That's got to be the acid test, not wether you can get out of it, wether it'll stay in place, wouldn't it be great if we had a proper dinghy mag reviewing this stuff?

And whilst they're at it explaining what a Captive de raker is and why I need it. I know I need it, it's shiny new and therefore I have to have one, but what does it do? The Captive de raker bit? Where's that everything you need to know about dinghy boats book? Oh that's right it's not been written yet.

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Originally posted by Old Timer

 My only experience of QR hooks has been negative when a hook released at random whilst I was on the wire ... it went straight in the bin at that point.

ditto- although my P&B harness (hanging in the garage for 5+ years now) has one, I always carried a spare hook onboard having lost one on my 600 and had to sail back 'hiking' from the rack.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 3:25pm
Captive De Raker sounds like an Africaans name, doesn't it?

Back in the 90's (maybe 80's, my copy not to hand) a book called Dinghy Systems was written to explain all this kind of stuff. Maybe it could be updated. But then the internet has come along, and isn't it easier to find things out that way?
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Originally posted by Rupert

But then the internet has come along, and isn't it easier to find things out that way?

sadly not- we are all desk experts, so no longer rely on the professionalism of the local chandler to ensure the clevice pin is the right diameter for the loose crown we find kicking around the bottom of our Musto  & Hyde sailing holdall.

Instead we order one off the internet, pay an additional fiver for shipping and then discard it as it doesn't actually fit despite, what we believed, was careful research across sailboats, P&B and the RS parts store.  Some guy on the Y&Y forum gave us some sage expert advice, but like the rest of them on there it turns out he's just full of sh*t and misinformation.  (It later transpires he 'works' for one of the clevice pin manufacturers updating their Facebook page with genuine user feedback, someone will call him out for it soon enough) 

We then lash whatever needed shackling down with a bit of worn out spectra core barely suitable for holding up a tramp's piss-stained troowsers, safe in the knowledge that even if we have a generous PY, our poor performance excuse is locked and loaded.... all cursing under our breath whilst updating our iPhone* task list to re-order a complete shackle Monday morning, parsimony averted, as it costs twenty quid.  

edit: * sorry Android, I forgot this wasn't the boards forum.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 4:42pm
Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by Rupert

But then the internet has come along, and isn't it easier to find things out that way?

sadly not- we are all desk experts, so no longer rely on the professionalism of the local chandler to ensure the clevice pin is the right diameter for the loose crown we find kicking around the bottom of our Musto  & Hyde sailing holdall.

Instead we order one off the internet, pay an additional fiver for shipping and then discard it as it doesn't actually fit despite, what we believed, was careful research across sailboats, P&B and the RS parts store.  Some guy on the Y&Y forum gave us some sage expert advice, but like the rest of them on there it turns out he's just full of sh*t and misinformation.  (It later transpires he 'works' for one of the clevice pin manufacturers updating their Facebook page with genuine user feedback, someone will call him out for it soon enough) 

We then lash whatever needed shackling down with a bit of worn out spectra core barely suitable for holding up a tramp's piss-stained troowsers, safe in the knowledge that even if we have a generous PY, our poor performance excuse is locked and loaded.... all cursing under our breath whilst updating our iPhone* task list to re-order a complete shackle Monday morning, parsimony averted, as it costs twenty quid.  

edit: * sorry Android, I forgot this wasn't the boards forum.

Oh dear.....bad day?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote kneewrecker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Nov 14 at 5:01pm
nope, rather good actually.  I was even nice about the RS Aero.



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