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Do Different 
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 Topic: Would ya, should ya?Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 4:47pm |
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http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/180111/Special-mention-for-Allen-Keyball-Trapeze-System
For sure I dunno (can't find an emoticon) The wire hoop usually falls off the hook on its own (of course everybody cuts off those stupid plastic retainers don't they) and is well trained in muscle memory to push off if it doesn't. Not damaging the board or side deck with a hook has to be good, having said that I haven't yet. Reducing risk is good of course. BUT What is the chance of the hook itself actually causing an entrapment? My biggest worry is getting caught in a half hitch of loose rope. That would take a cool head to get out of. The hook getting caught is within easy reach and quite an instinctive thing to go for and sort out.
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 4:52pm |
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Some of the entrapment cases have been people pinned to standing rigging with their hooks.
This would prevent that; looks a sound idea.
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 5:02pm |
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Thanks Old Timer. For that reason I also always wear my harness outside my PFD and without a rash vest over it. My innocent hope is that to find and release the single point fastening on my harness would be an instinctive move as its something I do every day I sail.
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 5:13pm |
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I've been pinned onto a gunwale lip by a trapeze hook on a boat that flipped again as I was trying to roll into the boat, that was touch and go for what felt like an age, and a club-mate had a very close call when he got hooked to a shroud of a 5000 which then inverted.
I also had the deck and hull punctured on my Winder Fireball by different trapeze hooks. So I'd say there is certainly a need for something better. Interesting to see that Allen have openly adopted the Bethwaite idea, which we discussed some time ago. I don't recall seeing the "solid aluminium handle" before. Bet that could catch you a nasty smack in the eye - even plastic bobbles on adjusters can hurt. The problem, of course, is that you'd need a second harness if ever you wanted to scratch crew another boat with the usual rings. Personally I'll stick with the flush hook solution. It works with normal rings, my crew is happy with it, and a number of club-mates have adopted it too.   |
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 5:46pm |
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Yes MM those flush plates have been on the edge of my radar for some time. Very interested to hear that you like them. I do think I will give one a try. Can you spill on who stocks them?
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 6:08pm |
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The inventor/maker sadly died last year, but a club-mate at Wilsonian plans to have a small production run made, so there should be a stock available shortly. I'll suggest he comes on here so that people can p.m. him.
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 6:30pm |
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Thanks.
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RichTea
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 7:24pm |
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The Allen design was developed by a university student as his final year project. It is a great idea however it does mean you cant jump into another trapeeze boat or visa versa.
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 7:41pm |
Was that an Aussie student 10+ years ago working with Bethwaite? Otherwise the Uni might want to check for plagiarism.... |
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Kev M
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Posted: 18 Nov 14 at 9:55pm |
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Why? Unless they've infringed a Bethwaite patent what have they got to worry about?
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