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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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Spot on gents- why not offer some duel scoring as Jim suggests, handicap racing should be seen as route into racing for newbies and provide a framework for those with less competitive ambitions, so why not offer a golf club approach? |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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(later authorship of quote corrected. Not great editing quotes on my phone...) Got to wonder why you bother if the results are much the same as with the standard handicap. Of course a big advantage of dual scoring is that the usual suspects still get their glassware and are less likely to whinge. We have a rule that scratch handicap sailors aren't eligible for the personal handicap prizes, although we are yet to have to invoke it. Edited by JimC - 17 Nov 14 at 10:39am |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Whatever she tells me.. ![]() ..maybe a streaker's not so bad after all Edited by iGRF - 17 Nov 14 at 9:03am |
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Give her a well deserved treat and take the Icon out
..... with anyone else of course. Would get you out of the way domestically for a few hours each week and we'd get to hear your Icon expoits on an occassional basis on monday mornings. Could be a win-win all round there. The handicap stuff is just a side show. Mike L. |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Another two pursuit races yesterday. Another two failures. I am never last because there are always learners out there. I am an important target for them. I have two main Lightning tormentors, one a 25 year old girl whose bottom I always admire...from behind and a gentleman five years older than me at seventy four who has a pacemaker and Parkinsons disease. The girl was not present yesterday but the gentleman thrashed me twice. I know my place in the universe and within our racing fleet. I do not expect to metamorphose into Ainslie over night, rather I expect to deteriorate until first-time-in-a boat beginners obliterate me. All sailing with my personal handicap would do is prove my devastating incompetence, I am aware of that so why bother? **
** It may seem inappropriate to mention my friends medical problems but he has a great sense of humor and we joke on this subject constantly.
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Blue One ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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Think I explained in a reply to 'the moo' who's post this was. We altered the system at our club because the race officers could not cope with the large time differences ( which is understandable as some of them are over eighty!) and because some of the good sailors did not like the thought of sailing in the odd race when they had no chance of winning. So now the time changes week to week are smaller and the handicaps don't roll over to the next series. And this now means it's just a waste of time, but we will continue doing it because the good sailors like it because they still win and they can feel good about themselves because they think there doing something nice for the rest of the fleet. It's just crumbs from the rich man's table for the peasants. ![]() Edited by Blue One - 17 Nov 14 at 10:17am |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I suppose, now I think of it, in a pursuit race, having a sort of 50% personal handicap will have the effect of bunching the fleet together to create an artificial sense of drama and more boat on boat interaction. So if the sailors think its more fun like that then why not. Might make it a bit easier to capture results closer to the gun if the fleet is more bunched too.
In a single start handicap on the other hand it still seems pointless to me, and I think people would be better served by dual scoring. Completely off topic, reading our SIs again recently I was amused to notice that no-one at our club *ever* finishes a pursuit race according to the SIs. Maybe we ought to rewrite them to cover what people actually do... |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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......plenty of drama in my pursuit races with or without personal handicaps, trying to stop the buggers getting past me!
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The Moo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jun 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 809 |
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It wasn't just the race officers who were getting confused. The extended separation times on a relatively short case meant that on some days the first boat away had done two and on one ocassion I recall three laps before the last boat started. Unless you were watching everyone else's start and counting their laps it was difficult to know where you were which is unusual in a pursuit race. Any how the debate is getting a little club centric and bringing out comments that I would prefer not to see on here, so for now I think it is best that I withdraw. |
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