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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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......plenty of drama in my pursuit races with or without personal handicaps, trying to stop the buggers getting past me!
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I suppose, now I think of it, in a pursuit race, having a sort of 50% personal handicap will have the effect of bunching the fleet together to create an artificial sense of drama and more boat on boat interaction. So if the sailors think its more fun like that then why not. Might make it a bit easier to capture results closer to the gun if the fleet is more bunched too.
In a single start handicap on the other hand it still seems pointless to me, and I think people would be better served by dual scoring. Completely off topic, reading our SIs again recently I was amused to notice that no-one at our club *ever* finishes a pursuit race according to the SIs. Maybe we ought to rewrite them to cover what people actually do... |
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Blue One ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 09 Nov 13 Online Status: Offline Posts: 317 |
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Think I explained in a reply to 'the moo' who's post this was. We altered the system at our club because the race officers could not cope with the large time differences ( which is understandable as some of them are over eighty!) and because some of the good sailors did not like the thought of sailing in the odd race when they had no chance of winning. So now the time changes week to week are smaller and the handicaps don't roll over to the next series. And this now means it's just a waste of time, but we will continue doing it because the good sailors like it because they still win and they can feel good about themselves because they think there doing something nice for the rest of the fleet. It's just crumbs from the rich man's table for the peasants. ![]() Edited by Blue One - 17 Nov 14 at 10:17am |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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Another two pursuit races yesterday. Another two failures. I am never last because there are always learners out there. I am an important target for them. I have two main Lightning tormentors, one a 25 year old girl whose bottom I always admire...from behind and a gentleman five years older than me at seventy four who has a pacemaker and Parkinsons disease. The girl was not present yesterday but the gentleman thrashed me twice. I know my place in the universe and within our racing fleet. I do not expect to metamorphose into Ainslie over night, rather I expect to deteriorate until first-time-in-a boat beginners obliterate me. All sailing with my personal handicap would do is prove my devastating incompetence, I am aware of that so why bother? **
** It may seem inappropriate to mention my friends medical problems but he has a great sense of humor and we joke on this subject constantly.
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blaze720 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Sep 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1635 |
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Give her a well deserved treat and take the Icon out
..... with anyone else of course. Would get you out of the way domestically for a few hours each week and we'd get to hear your Icon expoits on an occassional basis on monday mornings. Could be a win-win all round there. The handicap stuff is just a side show. Mike L. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Whatever she tells me.. ![]() ..maybe a streaker's not so bad after all Edited by iGRF - 17 Nov 14 at 9:03am |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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(later authorship of quote corrected. Not great editing quotes on my phone...) Got to wonder why you bother if the results are much the same as with the standard handicap. Of course a big advantage of dual scoring is that the usual suspects still get their glassware and are less likely to whinge. We have a rule that scratch handicap sailors aren't eligible for the personal handicap prizes, although we are yet to have to invoke it. Edited by JimC - 17 Nov 14 at 10:39am |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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Spot on gents- why not offer some duel scoring as Jim suggests, handicap racing should be seen as route into racing for newbies and provide a framework for those with less competitive ambitions, so why not offer a golf club approach? |
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Medway Maniac ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 May 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2788 |
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And do what? |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Nope it's more to do with the confines, to win, I have to lap the lead boat twice and three or four times if it's a Miracle, and it's basically not possible even on a good day, I do also get a bit bored after a while, the EPS is better suited to water where it can stretch it's legs for more than 60 secs before having to tack or turn. It's the point that everyone makes tat it's not possible to have one number fits all, that I kind of accept, but it would be nice to know that the number that is allocated, is allocated in exactly the same way for everyone, as it would be on a personal handicap. If you want to win on a small lake, buy a boat more suited to it, which I thought I had, then they went and shifted the goal posts again and it ended up with a faster handicap than the EPS. So try and buck the system as you might, in the end if you want to join in you have really no choice but to accept the bollox of sailing old junk, unless you're lucky enough to sail at Grafham. I'm not even going to bother this winter I don't think, give it a miss for a bit. |
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