At what point?

   Proper course varies from boat to boat. 
In this case it is the Leeward boats proper course that counts.

What they cannot do though is luff up as their kite collapse as they get affected by your dirty winds because, as we all know, your proper course is always 'in the absence of other boats'....

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jeffers Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 29 Mar 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 3048	Post Options Post Reply Quote jeffers Report Post Quote Reply Topic: At what point? Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 11:29am
	Proper course varies from boat to boat. In this case it is the Leeward boats proper course that counts. What they cannot do though is luff up as their kite collapse as they get affected by your dirty winds because, as we all know, your proper course is always 'in the absence of other boats'....
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balladsailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 11 Location: Milton Keynes Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote balladsailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 11:18am
	Unfortunately the route to the mark is somewhat irrelevant, as there is no definition of a proper course for a downwind leg. What appears to be the sensible solution does not always work for everyone. Had he tried to pass to windward you could have, and I guess maybe would have luffed him out of sight! From the other boat's perspective, if he felt he had the speed to power through your lee, it seems to be the best option whilst remaining the right of way boat.

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 10:44am
	Well it is complicated by the route to the mark, I'm single handed dead running aiming at it, he is sailing above the rhumb line (presumably to keep a kite filled and or to go inshore to escape the tide, a simpler solution would have been for him to sail to windward, but he's being blind deaf and stupid so I had to do aggravated ironic discharge at him, then I had to pump a bit to get clear in case he did actually run into me so both now in the wrong but I need to know how wrong I actually was, (other than the pumping bit which is now legitimate in an EPS since Sir Ben's superb example at Weymouth).
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balladsailor Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 24 Apr 11 Location: Milton Keynes Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Post Options Post Reply Quote balladsailor Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 10:18am
	Rule 11 is quite clear. As soon as you are overlapped, you become the give way boat, though up to that point you are not required to anticipate the developing situation. rule 15 states that the overlapping boat must give you time and opportunity to keep clear. Once the overlap to leeward is established, the leeward boat has right of way, but does not have puffing rights, and must not sail above her proper course. Will be interested to hear what actually happened!

iGRF Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499	Post Options Post Reply Quote iGRF Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 05 Sep 14 at 9:07am
	Does a boat over taking to leeward gain hailing rights? It's normally me doing the overtaking, but last night my EPS excellence had gained me a good start, full triangle and 2nd beat lead over the fast handicappers, tide as usual was in play with a wind band out to sea, and on the punching tide downwind leg I'd judged better to take a direct line to the mark and pick up more wind (the leeward mark was in the wind band)whilst a Hornet was behind and to the lee but wanting to over take but take a higher line inshore presumably kite driven but with regard to less tide inshore. So he barely gets his nose level with my stern and starts hailing 'windward boat keep clear' obviously at this point wrongly as I pointed out to him in a gentlemanly stfu way, but with a kite he's quicker and nudges closer to the point he'll clip my boom as it's right out by the lee. The wind variable light 1-2 occasional puff, tide about 1-2 knots against us. I shall not say at this point what then happened, what I want to know is what should happen?
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