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    Posted: 28 Aug 14 at 11:42am
Over the last year we have been working with the Techno Windsurfer Class,  including their Euros in Garda and Worlds (400+ boards),  France.

Having come from more a Dinghy and Yachtie background,  attended/organised 00s of events quite an open opener to see how other types of water sport operate.   They have a main stage,  with music and DJ,  party games and shore activities as they wait for the perfect wind,  then short races and back ashore for more partying.  

Not suggesting this would work at an event like SailFest but certainly some good ideas that could fit,  even for those in smocks.  
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Simon, get yourself this... it's a total bargain, and would probably do well at the NWF if there's light wind.
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I wouldn't want to pee in your pool, but that Mailbu was never a 'beginner' board, it was designed as a 15kts+ racing fun board unfortunately just as the world discovered short boards were faster, so, it would not perform that well in light wind.
It would not be that easy to sail either, being quite narrow and lowish volume for it's length, not saying don't get it, they're quite fun in a breeze, but don't think of it as anything that would be advantageous to race with these days. From memory 190 ltrs or thereabouts, certainly not much more
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And In answer to Rupert, quite frankly from what I now know about this sport, it's bloody disingenuous calling windsurfing out on pumping. It's is no different than Sir Bens activity and a lot of other rocking, ooching, roll tacking and general kinetic encouragement I've seen in dinghy sailing.

So that's total bollox now, and that's official.

And there was me thinking it would be an easier activity to retire to when in point of fact at times it's harder work, pumping a sailboard is easier than pumping a dinghy.
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Yup, they didn't learn from windsurfing, and started allowing pumping in some sailing events or classes too. Bad news. Glad to say that there are still some classes who will call you on it.
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Well there are classes surprisingly in Windsurfing where they'll call you on it. The Kona, biggest global amateur class ignored by the RYA is a prime example.
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I remember mention of that class before - sounds like a sensible way to go.
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Going way off topic now, but why is pumping bad?
 
Is roll tacking bad too?
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Roll tacking is simply a way of getting a boat from facing one way to facing another without losing speed in between. Pumping is using human power to make the boat go forwards (hence "air rowing" as a description in windsurfing). It puts a huge emphasis on upper body strength and endurance in a sport that is traditionally a balance between fitness and experience. Currently, I know sailors who have been doing this sport for 60 years and are still able to compete at National level and do well. Add in pumping, and that whole side of things would be gone for ever.
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Originally posted by GarethT

Going way off topic now, but why is pumping bad?
 
Is roll tacking bad too?

It's bad because Paul Henderson says so, so there....  

regarding windsurfing, specifically the Kona Class, Joachim believe(s/d) that one of the reasons why recreation race boarding went out of fashion was the free and liberal use of pumping. 

They handle this through the SIs, not the Class Rules:

1.3. Pumping: RR 42 and RR 67 will apply, which means that repeated rig movements to increase or maintain speed are prohibited as specified in these Sailing Instructions.

So much as some of us might deride the RRS, whilst citing windsurfing as a light hearted alternative, the Kona Class is much more like dinghy racing than slalom / master blaster stuff.  This entire ethos of Kona is so off-key with the majority of windsurfers here, yet it also got rejected by the establishment when presented here to the RYA- which is odd, as up until recently, there really was no 'controlled class' alternative for course racing once the kids dropped off T-15 but found that A-Levels were more important than 'almost' getting to go the Olympics (if it wasn't for the other 10 sailors above them).

It's stuck between a rock and a hard place.... nice shape board though, and once you get the pimped up full carbon (non-class legal) version, and then put a decent sail on it, it's a wonderful cruising toy.





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