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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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You do it, by not having a book full of crap rules, don't make folk wear buoyancy if they don't want to, encourage women to participate, have parties, laugh, joke, don't take things to seriously, then you sail really fast, jump high, do tricks, try out kit, have night sailing sessions, all on entirely different kit, with no illogical handicap system telling you half an hour later that even though you got back to the beach first, someone who finished half an hour later beat you because a bunch of old buffers sat around a table somewhere and decided his board was slower than yours on account that some guy had been sailing it half cocked around a puddle near Lunnon. ![]() Edited by iGRF - 27 Aug 14 at 11:31pm |
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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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It all sounds rather silly to me. Are people drunk and then sick? Do they slap each other on the back and say what fun it was? When it's all over do they go back to jobs in Swinton Insurance or Halfords?
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Simon Lovesey ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Nov 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 349 |
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It has been very encouraging to receive all the positive comments from competitors across the various fleets at SailFest 14, but also the enthusiasm from the all organisations and sponsors that were involved. Importantly juding by comments on forums such as this one and social media, there is clearly interest in the SailFest concept. This year compared to last was particularity challenging for a variety of reasons, it was great to see all the various stakeholders pulling together to make SailFest a success in the difficult conditions. Again with 20:20 hindsight we may have done things slightly differently, but ultimately SailFest delivered four days of sailing, 3.5 Nationals Championships, multi class racing, demo sails, coaching, shore side activities and displays, accommodation packages and socials etc There are various debriefs under way with the representatives of all the organisations involved and looking at plans for 2015, so keep the ideas flowing.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Parts of that sound like a semi decent class Nationals, but without a decent element of competition. With no handicap system, surely the person willing to spend the most just buys his way to victory? Assuming he can windsurf a bit. And without some rules, isn't it like playing chess where you can move the pieces where you like, when you like? Night sailing sessions, no BAs, on kit you are unfamiliar with, having had a skinful over the evening? Last Firefly Nationals I went to was more than 50% women - can these piss ups say the same? |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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So how would he do that? What board would he buy? If it's windy, he'd need a small fast slalom board if it isn't he'd need a big volume long board with a massive sail, the event is next week you have to enter now, which one are you going to choose? (Taking the question seriously which it isn't and nor is the event, it's a fun out to a buoy and back dash last I remember, I've never done it, personally I like a bit of structure to my racing which is probably why I'm here in dinghydom.) The event is a festival, a get together, annual rally, meet up, have a bit of a sail, watch Pro Sailors, see next years new kit, go to clinics, hang out, party, sail old kit in fancy dress, gender swap, that yellow welly turned up as a beer bottle, a bit like the FOM which you could turn into a similar event if you wanted.. ![]() |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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In answer to Rupert's question re competition, it's simple. The fleet is split into the 'National Fleet' - pros, semi-pros and amateur slalom racers; then you have the 'Freeride Fleet' for everyone else- there are category prizes like master, grand master, first woman, first youth, vintage kit etc. There's even a fancy dress prize for first one in non-standard sailing kit... I'm aiming for that this year. Both start together, the National Fleet do an extra lap- they will be picking up the back markers of the Freeride fleet when they finish, so in reality, the fleets start and finish together. It's very clever race management.
The National Fleet runs on the standard UKWA slalom rules- basically I think the kit has to be production kit (so no special customs) and there is a width limit on the boards and a max sail area. The sort of kit I'm talking of is, for arguments sake, as highly tuned and tested as the 20 grand Merlin or latest head-tuner in the Moth fleet. It doesn't suit your average pleb like me... it might be quick in the right hands, but it lacks comfort and control, meaning it's dead slow for someone who just grooverides around and fancies the competitive element of the NWF. You also need to be sh*t-hot at rig tuning- slalom sails have a very narrow wind range, it's not uncommon for sailors to rig up three sets even with a stable forecast. I'm not dissing this, in fact I wish I was good enough to participate, and who knows, one day I might be. A full slalom set up is going to set you back between £10 and £12k new, although anyone good enough to justify that kind of spend is probably on a trade deal anyway. They also observe a tighter rule set- mainly for safety, than tactical usage like a dinghy race. Coming into a mark at 35 knots is not something for rules nerds to throw their crap about in. I think a similar attitude seem prevalent in any Moth racing I've seen- they just seem to play sensible at marks. The freeride fleet is open to all, and all boards are welcome- anything from the 1970s to the slalom gear above if you want to spend 'megabucks', but heed the warning above, spending that kind of money is not necessarily going to result in the performance gain you might think. Last year was won by a guy on 1980's longboard equipment- he sails inland near Milton Keynes. It is utterly fun, but lacks the structure we would think is essential for 'proper racing' in dinghydom. Last year I was in the water at the gybe mark- middle of the pack there was no way anyone was going to get around cleanly and on hindsight I should have held back and/or rounded around the outside... but my timing was poor and I ended up in the drink with 20 other sailors, booms, sails and upturned boards everywhere. So what happened? I've been in wing mark pile-ups in dinghy events and the language is ripe, the red flags are getting pulled out of those camera film cases and everyone gets really wound up and argumentative- it's just not fun, not unless you are mentally retarded and like that sort of thing. When faced with that situation, I've just hoped I've not been tthe poor sod who appears to have drifted to outside of all this.... you'll be up before the beak for not 'giving water' (which in itself sounds like a Victorian medical sample.) But at the NWF everyone laughed, we helped each other to make sure no one took a boom on the bonce, I even held the tail of one fine young women's board so she could get on and uphaul cleanly. She had a nice bottom, does admitting that break Rule 2? A guy I know called Steve 'popped' the head of my sail to speed up my own uphaul process. He then gave me some pumping tips back down the next leg. I know, I know, I should have retired... outside assistance, rule 41, but he beat me and we had a laugh about how knackered we were from it. The prizes are donated by the industry- and the best prizes go to the Freeride fleet. I saw one guy win a £700 sail last year just for winning one race sponsored by that loft. He said a big thank you, but he gave it to the kid who won the U21 category.... cue jokes about no one wanting that brand, but in truth it was just a very generous gesture, and demonstrates the goodwill at the event. So it's a different vibe from dinghy events- which in itself doesn't make it better or worse, but it's certainly a festival of sailing. How can it be a Festival of Sailing without dinghies? Hmm, you really need to ask??? Edited by kneewrecker - 28 Aug 14 at 10:15am |
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'smocks' are in themselves fine attire, but make sure you get one with an integrated head covering. Oh, and call it a hoody, before someone laughs at you....
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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You make it all sound lovely, YW. Of course, the masts fall over, you have to pump to be anywhere (sounds like Solos, that last bit...) you spend 10 minutes sorting you and your mates out at the mark, so making the racing meaningless (but you still have to pump and get knackered), and there is no room for tactical thinking.
Hmmm, think I'll stick with old, fuddy duddy dinghy racing, frustrating as it is at times, but I do agree that there are aspects of the windsurfing scene that could make the dinghy one more fun, especially at club and small open meeting level. 3 processional races in a day is not the most exciting of prospects, but the WW/LW courses that are put on instead in some places really are tedious - reaching is fun! |
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kneewrecker ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586 |
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I don't think it was meaningless at all, certainly not for the guys who were at the front. The question is, if you are the standard of sailor who is doing well to even be in the pack at the mark, then what happens when the pile ups occur? Do you want to join in the Mister Shouty Man game and got to the kangaroo court to 'prove you were in the right'? Or would you rather laugh about it and get away as cleanly and safely as possible without concerning yourself with an extra tack and gybe as a 'penalty'?
Anyway, as I said, it's a different vibe- not necessarily better or worse. I'd imagine the 'serious racer' would probably be in National Fleet anyway.... and sponsorships are won or lost in that.
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Sadly, once I'm out there, I am Mr Shouty Man. It is a character flaw that I'm working on, and I'm better than I was 25 years ago, but it is a slow process... |
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