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    Posted: 07 Aug 14 at 10:04am
I have a feeling that the club owned boats will play a bigger part in the future, particularly for holding onto the 18 - 40 age group where members are increasingly financially and time challenged, let alone having a less committed approach to any one sport.

I wonder if any clubs have gone for a full on approach to buying decent two man racing boats, such as RS200's or RS400's at a level that might encourage one design participation.

Whilst polyethylene boats have there place in training, I am not sure that they can be taken very serously for racing.

People turn up to Sports Clubs expecting a certain amount of equipment to be supplied, I can't see why this might be different for racing dinghies.

Any experience or thoughts on this?
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I think dinghies are very prone to abuse, at least in our experience. Every week I see club Toppers run aground board down or Lasers flapping away until the battens fly out. People do not look after what does not belong to them selves. Small clubs rely on volunteers for maintenance.

Our club has only one paid employee.....me. I clean the clubhouse and toilets once a week. For this I am paid a pittance but because I am paid, I do it. Volunteers will often have a casual attitude to responsibility.

Club boats and paid Bosuns could be the answer?


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Originally posted by iiitick

Club boats and paid Bosuns could be the answer?

With a good committee to administer them, quite possibly, but I'd worry it could go sour if the committee changed and became lazy and uninterested.
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Littleton SC used to have some good RS200s they hired out on a series by series basis (hirers even took these boats to the nationals and opens), this was about 10 years ago, no idea if they still do it.

We have club boats at my club owned by the different fleets, they are rarely used. I am very glad my fleet dont have one as it would be a pain to maintain.
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At Hunts we have a load of Toppers and Optimists. Some of the Optimists have been 'adopted' by various parents which helps with the maintenance issues.

We did have some Lasers but these were so badly abused that the club is in the process of selling them (which is a shame IMO but I can understand why).

We also have some Picos, 3 Vagos, a Vision (which is currently for sale) and a L2K. So a nice mix and a little bit of something for most people.

We do have the issue of maintenance with people not reporting things that get broken or are damaged which is frustrating as 99% of the time the broken item is minor and a very easy (and cheap) fix but not one you want to be doing immediately before you run a training course.
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I think the key to getting maintenance issues reported is to make it clear what the club would consider fair wear-and-tear and what is damage (ie what the hirer is responsible for) and not making the hirer feel like a naughty child when they report something needs fixing.

My club has a wide variety of boats for hire but I'll do about everything in my power to not need to hire one again. Being a bit more professional about things like having a price list and proper T&Cs would really help.

I like the idea people adopting boats, if they are adopted by particular fleets then they have some interest in them being well maintained so the can use them as a tool to boost their fleet
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What I have noticed at Hunts is that as the boats themselves have been improved, so the amount of damage caused has lessened.  People seem to have more respect for a better equipped and looked after boat.  I agree it's a shame to ditch the lasers, but they were running at a loss, not least because people would actually nick he parts or swap them for something they had damaged on their own boats.

The adoption scheme is working well with the optimists, but we also have a few plastic oppies which take the brunt of the for hire use.  
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I'm convinced too that club boats will play a bigger role in future (.... we get told that the world is heading towards a 'sharing' economy with the likes of AirBnB and Uber etc etc) but maintenance is clearly the key from all the comments posted, although not sure what the solution is.

I think Carsington SC at one stage, very creatively, rented out Laser 2ks in 3 month periods, which almost solved the problem I believe - with people knowing that if they bust something it would be like that next time they used the boat.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote OultonBen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 14 at 5:02pm
Originally posted by 2547

Originally posted by iGRF

....members borrow them, break them and do nothing, it's a bloody nuisance.
This is my experience. Club boats start off as a good idea but slowly descend into a state of disrepair and neglect never to be used again. 
Better to get people involved through crewing and personal loans. 
Try this for "Personal Loan":-
Core pot of cash ~£6k;    50% Personal Loans, interest-free are available;    repayable over 2-years.

If £6k of loans is repaid over 2-year, the returning income is £3k annually

Try this simplified example:
"P, Q, R & S" buy new-ish lasers @ ~£3k each, so apply for interest free loans of ~£1.5k each and use-up the pot;  [total repayment rate is  £6k/24 = £250 pcm, or averaged £62.50 each per month].
Seeing 2 brand new & 2 very smart Lasers sailing around "T" becomes interested, so after half-a-season the empty pot has now risen to £1.5k and "T" can look at this to support his new boat.
How many Clubs are seeing a turn-around of roughly 1 almost-new Laser every 6-months, or equivalent?
The £6k initially put up, costs the Club, perhaps £1 per day, or the equivalent of a small round of drinks every week-end ...... to see this level of enhanced sailing activity.

Loans could be used for say, upgrading from aluminium to Carbon rigs, or buying a High-Tech sail ..... etc.

One sailing Association which I still belong to, saw such merit in this type of scheme, that they increased the basic 'pot' four-fold, yes £24k !   That was how I bought my first new Fireball in 1982 !
This was done from reserves but could also be done through appeal to members, and then say, matched industrial or other funding.

No-one can squeeze past ..... when you're as "Chunky" as myself !
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But you could use the Sport England £ 10K grants, maybe match funded by Members loans, or Gift Aided gifts if you are a CASC.  Strikes me that the key issue might be in having a Semi Retired bosun who checks the boats over once a week.

Maybe there is room for yet another class specifically targeted at this market, not built in polyethylene, but kitted out with decent, robust gear, but with simple systems.  Much though it saddens me the original Laser 1 pretty much hit this brief, but I am not sure about a 2 hander.
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