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    Posted: 31 Jul 14 at 6:26pm
Sorry I don't agree, by supporting a club you are supporting sailing at grass roots level.  As I see it, in not being a member of a club, sailors are happy to attend open meetings and championships manned and facilitated by volunteers, but are unwilling to contribute time themselves.  I would suggest that the value of time exceeds that of any subscription to the RYA.  

I would also suggest that the RYA does very little to directly support ordinary dinghy sailors interests, when push comes to shove, such as the Thames Sailing Club planning issue the RYA were unwilling to support a venerable sailing club for fear of upsetting the RYA's Motor Boat owning members.  I resigned at this point, despite having given up my time for eight years on the Technical Committee.

I accept that youth and Olympic dinghy sailors benefit greatly from the RYA but this is mainly through support from Sport England.  I would have greater respect for the organisation if they were to support older sailors with coaching programmes in the same way as youth and Olympic aspirants. 

I don't feel guilty for no longer being a direct member of the RYA since my club and two class associations contribute on my behalf.  I don't see why the greater part of my RYA sub would support non-dinghy sailing activities.

I would challenge anyone on this forum to list sailors who sail as RYA who have volunteered for office in a club or class association.

Moved on a bit from tacking around cows at Henley!

Probably warrants a thread on its own.
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Henley SC is a very friendly club and on a nice stretch of the river, so give it a go.

And yes, river sailing is fun (.... but you would expect me to say that).

I think all the items you mention make it challenging rather than frustrating.....there will always be some patterns to pick up in the apparent randomness of those things, over time.

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Are organisers obliged (by the RYA) to accept entries from competitors listing "RYA* as their 'club'?
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If you're a member of the RYA you're a direct giver instead of an indirect one..

You are indeed a direct giver - to the RYA, and of course many of us choose to be both club and RYA members.

However, those who compete on the open circuit with RYA individual membership alone are not contributing directly to the national club system which is what allows the vast majority of those opens to take place. While opens certainly bring in much needed funds to many clubs it's also only the existence of those clubs, and the large amount of voluntary work their members put in that provides the foundation on which sailing and the open and nationals circuits depend.
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Yes, I would argue that it would even itself out...  provided all clubs required the same number of duties be done.  Maybe the wording should refer to duties being done at the club demanding the higher number of duties  Smile
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On the topic of duties, the majority of clubs exist thru the efforts of their members in carrying out duties (race officer, safety, galley, bar, maintenance, the list goes on). If we were able to 'opt out' of club#2 on the basis that we've done our bit for club#1 then doesn't club#2 suffer?

You could argue that it would all even itself out across the country, but it just doesn't feel right to me.
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If you're a member of the RYA you're a direct giver instead of an indirect one... I would bet bucks to buttons that an individual RYA membership is priced higher than a club affiliation fee divided by the number of members.
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Its a shame the RYA does not insist that you have to be a member of an RYA affiliated club in order to race at any level.  I have seeing "RYA" being listed as a club against competitors names, I always assume that they are takers not givers.
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Being able to walk to the club is a big plus for me (at WSC).  

It's so easy to pop along for a bimble at the drop of a hat, and I can enjoy a drink afterwards without fear of the dreaded 'drink-drive'.

I reckon I'd always join my local club, even if I did my main racing elsewhere.  The only downside is maybe being liable for duties at both.  A pity the RYA can't promote a clause for inclusion in clubs' rules whereby evidence of doing duties at your first club exempted you from duties at the other(s) (I've even concocted a draft clause...)
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Beating up the bank at Henley in a National 12 past the fields of cows is one of life's pleasures


Same as in an Enterprise! Big Thames Valley Bowl Ent Opens there in the 70s. One of the best meetings on the then circuit.
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