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    Posted: 23 Jul 14 at 4:23pm
I was 9. Did some cadet sailing, bu mostly was at the front end of boats with adults helming.

Have to say, I'm not sure it would be anything like 20% who carry on, but with those who do and those who come into sailing later, there are plenty of enthusiastic sailors around. Never been convinced that actual numbers participating matter - there will always be people out there who love sailing, so it will never vanish as a sport, so I just like how many people who do sail let it take over their lives. More so than many other sports, I'd guess.
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10-20% maybe right.
BUT those will be the long experienced backbone members that will keep our clubs on the rails.
Many kids drop out but return when they have families of their own, the cycle repeats.
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Originally posted by Brass

 Two hundred or more kids actively and skillfully engaged in sailing:  what's not to like?

nothing is not to like.... I think that's great.  But I wonder how many of them will buy their own boats when they get older, participate in club sailing, travel around to sailing events, teach their own kids to sail, run oppy/tera camps etc... etc..... 

10-20% would be my guess... would be nice to be proved wrong.  
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by iGRF

It's a brilliant thing to behold though, all those kids, all in teams, loads of boats, makes you think maybe the sport has a future after all..

Very uplifting.

and now for the reality check.... wait until they go off to university.  Sure some will continue to sail, they probably ought to.  It might be in Fireflies or crappy Larks, but they are about to take part in some of the best sailing they could ever wish for, even if they don't quite appreciate yet, or take a snotty view from the wire of a 29er.  

However a lot will find other sports, including competitive drinking/shagging which takes over their social life away from the assumptions of parents and RYA squad coaches... they'll make new friends, and whilst there'll always be a fondness towards their sailing buddies, these new friends from all walks of life, will become their best friends.... it's unlikely many will also be sailors.  Besides a Combined Studies degree in Staffordshire is never going to have the same sailing vibe as 'Leisure Management' at Solent Uni... and unlike in my day, not many kids can afford to pick their uni without at least some consideration for the academic aspects.

Okay so the first filter has happened- Once those who've maintained an interest in sailing have graduated, how many of them will partner with either a) someone who also sails or b) understanding enough to encourage it in the face of the five-figure grad debts and poor recruitment options.  Then they've got to get a nice car, a mortgage and a wedding.... all of which assumes they are actually being paid to work, rather than abused through the 'intern system' that frankly makes my piss boil, no one should work for free- it's 21st century, first-world slavery.   

The final filter- add in a sprog or two and that boat fund needs some careful hiding / manipulation that only a few become masters of.  Even the best of boat fund embezzlers find other life matters catch up eventually, as no matter how cash rich that secret pot might be, it's worthless without that other great commodity of life to go with it: free time.  

Sorry Graeme, but pre-uni kid sailing events have always been super-popular and full of life and prosperity.  I'm not knocking that, I'm just saying you should change the tint back to something more gloomy.... pink is not your colour.  

BTW- I bought my 420 from Deal, and even though it was most certainly the wrong side of the bridge, I couldn't help but think it looked a thoroughly awesome place to sail.... 

Wow, dunno about rose coloured glasses, but you seem to be taking a very yellow jaundiced view.

Two hundred or more kids actively and skillfully engaged in sailing:  what's not to like?

Apart from the French model of kids sailing on every school sports afternoon (which I suspect is really confined to very few coastal areas), what other activity do you think would do more for sailing?

You seem to be starting off talking about junior and uni sailing then going on about how society and economics is killing sailing.

I'm not convinced.

Either it is true that 
there is nothing -  absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in  boats
or it is not, in which case we should all probably be spending much more of our time and money on satisfyingly enhancing our social and emotional relationships <g>.
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Originally posted by winging it


So Graeme, are you saying you were wrong?  Again?  

What twice in the same year, I cannot see him admitting to that.....
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Originally posted by iGRF

It's a brilliant thing to behold though, all those kids, all in teams, loads of boats, makes you think maybe the sport has a future after all..

Very uplifting.

and now for the reality check.... wait until they go off to university.  Sure some will continue to sail, they probably ought to.  It might be in Fireflies or crappy Larks, but they are about to take part in some of the best sailing they could ever wish for, even if they don't quite appreciate yet, or take a snotty view from the wire of a 29er.  

However a lot will find other sports, including competitive drinking/shagging which takes over their social life away from the assumptions of parents and RYA squad coaches... they'll make new friends, and whilst there'll always be a fondness towards their sailing buddies, these new friends from all walks of life, will become their best friends.... it's unlikely many will also be sailors.  Besides a Combined Studies degree in Staffordshire is never going to have the same sailing vibe as 'Leisure Management' at Solent Uni... and unlike in my day, not many kids can afford to pick their uni without at least some consideration for the academic aspects.

Okay so the first filter has happened- Once those who've maintained an interest in sailing have graduated, how many of them will partner with either a) someone who also sails or b) understanding enough to encourage it in the face of the five-figure grad debts and poor recruitment options.  Then they've got to get a nice car, a mortgage and a wedding.... all of which assumes they are actually being paid to work, rather than abused through the 'intern system' that frankly makes my piss boil, no one should work for free- it's 21st century, first-world slavery.   

The final filter- add in a sprog or two and that boat fund needs some careful hiding / manipulation that only a few become masters of.  Even the best of boat fund embezzlers find other life matters catch up eventually, as no matter how cash rich that secret pot might be, it's worthless without that other great commodity of life to go with it: free time.  

Sorry Graeme, but pre-uni kid sailing events have always been super-popular and full of life and prosperity.  I'm not knocking that, I'm just saying you should change the tint back to something more gloomy.... pink is not your colour.  

BTW- I bought my 420 from Deal, and even though it was most certainly the wrong side of the bridge, I couldn't help but think it looked a thoroughly awesome place to sail.... 


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We wondered that when we saw them yesterday, especially when we saw the launching method.

So Graeme, are you saying you were wrong?  Again?  
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Toppers are out & racing, getting regular txt updates from the beach.
 
So how long does it take to get 25 RIBs off that beach in the morning and back again in the evening?
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Well it's coming round more North Easterly today and up around 16-18 mph so sunny but windy and cross off here. I wouldn't like to be the man that has to make the call today either, although they were talking about doing some other form of sailing which involved shipping them to to boats already on the water, no idea what that's all about but it sounded less problematic than getting hundreds of Toppers & Lasers through the break, not to mention the handicap menagerie.

If I had to deal with that number round here, I'd have to talk to the new guy down at the Varne, they've got more space and are trying to encourage sailing over there, plus in this breeze it's onshore and a much shallower access.

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Can't you drive them all round to Hythe, must be offshore there.

We've got another 2 weeks of YOUF events at the Topper Nats&Worlds hosted by the Pwllheli construction company. The joy soon wears off, trust me.
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