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    Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 8:54pm
i am 6ft 4 so standing through a tack in a 600 is impossible and to be honest aint fast in the 600 the musto has a high boom so its easier to wire to wire in the musto 


um wow well that is strange maybe you have never experienced this type of tiredness in sailing terms 

can you maybe explain what you mean?

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You need to work on muscular endurance, not outright strength though that will help, but the ability to stress the muscles repeatedly without fatigue. The shoulders, arms and upper back are the main areas to work on, plus core and legs for pushing out onto the wire.
I did pull-ups, lat pull-downs, bent over rows, cable rows, shoulder presses and bicep curls, medium weights, 3 sets of 10-12 reps, aiming to fail at 12 (cannot do any more reps but still maintaining good form up to that point).
Must point out I didn't do all that in one session...
Earlier posts mention relaxing while sailing, in particular make sure you are not tensing your legs while half in, half out on the rack as it is extremely tiring to hold that pose. If the wind isn't strong enough to flat-wire, pull yourself higher on the wire so you can keep your legs straight.


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Yeh I've been aiming for volume rather than resistance with my weight training. Currently doing a pretty brutal programme of German Volume Training (10 sets of 10 reps), with a focus on compound lifts rather than isolation movements on top of my cardio. You're absolutely right about holding a half in, half out stance - it's absolute agony! Jay; in terms of the standing/sitting thing - I actually find it a bit easier to stand through the tack than sit on the racks. I have wide racks and I find I get 'stuck' sitting down if that makes sense. I'm a good deal shorter than you though at 5' 9". That said, I'm still trying to find out a tacking style that I can work in any wind and I haven't had her out in anything more than 15 knots for months. How far do you let the main out when you come through a tack in F4+? I've been letting her out to the shrouds to try and keep her flat/slightly heeled to windward. I can't really explain the exhaustion thing. The feeling reminds me of interval training actually. When I'm come off the wire and go through a tack, it's like I've just done a sprint and am in a recovery run. Same feeling of near nausea. I'd like to be able to sail her through the winter so trying to get everything dialled in before the bigger breezes return.
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The main should only be eased about 12" during the tacks unless you get nailed coming out of the tack. If you ease too much the boat will allow down making tacking really hard.
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ummm well in a for about a arm full really then i uesd to come in drop the main then pick it back up on the way through again to be honest you wont ever get the tacking right really until you learn the sitting down technique i and people still use it in the musto jamie is small but never stood up in a tack the biat is to tippy really and to much much can go wrong 
 which might be one reason for the physically tired feeling 
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If a boat is making you feel physically nauseous, I'd recommend a) selling it and b) getting checked out by the doctor .... a 600 is demanding, but it's only a dinghy.  
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I was just thinking the same, you must be above average fitness/very fit to do the training you do, the boat should not be taking such a toll on you. I don't think many of the 600 fleet do/did any training, most were just casual weekend sailors, some overweight, some over 40. A fit young lad like you should be finding it a walk in the park!
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I guess I must still be trying to fight her in some way I haven't cottoned on to yet...not a fight I'm going to win. Back to Yoda YouTube I think...
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Posts: 1312 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jul 14 at 8:47pm
Firstly hats off to you for coconuts.

I believe you said in OP that you've gone to this straight from quite a short time in a Laser?

As others have said problem must be technique rather than fitness. I guess what you are doing is trying for a nice sail around the bay and not beating yourself doing back to back drills. If that's the case you ought to be aiming for smooth with minimal effort, smooth become fast with time anyway.

People who know say you should tacking from sitting on the wings but you say as you are light you have the wings fully out so this is extra difficult for you.

Does the 600 have the option of granny bars? Do the experts recommend their use?

I think the 600 was marketed with a reefing system of a removable mast section. Is yours seized in solid? Could you sail it reefed with the wings in narrow position while you work out a technique and then put in the hours to get it solid?

 
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Yeh went moved 'up' to the 600 after 8 months or so in a Laser. When I go for a sail I basically practise tacking endlessly until I run out of steam. Once out of steam, I then just enjoy myself on a few scary reaches and/or drop the kicker and have a sit. All the above are really good ideas but the racks on the 600 aren't adjustable, and I'm relatively sure there aren't any granny racks analogous to those on the 700. My mast is seized shut unfortunately so I'm in a position of 'go big or go home' as it stands. My tacks are ok to be honest; I'm getting better at coming in smoothly enough. I'm still struggling once on the new tack though. That said, once the wind climbs above 15 knots or so, I do get stuck in irons now and again. At the moment, I'm sitting as far forward on the gunnel, rather than the rack, to get the boat moving on the new tack again. Once the boat is moving I'm either standing or kneeling up to get back on to the wire. I think that's definitely my weak point at the minute. Thanks for all your input.
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