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Do Different 
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 Topic: T.V.Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 11:01am |
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The sliding seat is old. I remember my mate telling me he had a Minisail with one way back in days of yore.
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JohnJack
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 11:23am |
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Sailing has a very broad spectrum and I think there is pretty much something for everyone depending on which aspect you're looking at. RTW/Long Haul racing appeals to different types than short course rtc or fast and furious team racing. Having done both, there is certainly a difference in intensity (on the Fastnet in 2011 part of the race strategy was dropping the anchor to stop us going backwards, not particularly exciting)
I was surprised by how many non sailing people I know 'loved' watching the last Americas Cup. The situation with the comeback made it interesting, and the incredible speeds right on the edge of perceived disaster had people on the edge of their seats but in fact the racing over the entire series was a bit boring, essentially get to the first mark on the inside and you win (except for 1 maybe 2 races where the USA caught up on the beat). I know allot of people on here think team racing is way too complicated for the gen pop, however I think if covered right it could be pretty exciting, other sports can be quite complex and are covered well on TV. Big fleet races a mile or two out to sea doesn't really lend itself that well to TV. As I typed that I was also thinking of Formula One, which can be very tedious about 90% of the time. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 11:31am |
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They have been using the seats since the early 60's! Also allowed wings, and back in the 70's that was quite common. Personally, I like the simplicity of the standard hull on a small lake.
As the RS 600 rig shows, people love experimenting with the boat. I agree that the weight could be brought down to the same as an Aero pretty easily on a new GRP version, but as only one new boat has been built since the 80's, I'm not sure it will ever happen. I weighed my boat last night (on bathroom scales, so maybe not totally accurate) and it came in at 54kg. The boat is now in the garage, where she is going on a diet. All the 40 years of paint will be coming off, as will the decks with 6 million pins, and once they are off I'll be able to see what weight is wasted in the structure. No plans to go extreme on this - I want the boat to still be nice and strong - but if I can lose 5 or 6 kg (so 10% of hull weight) it would be nice. If starting a wooden boat from scratch, then I'd think 30-35kgs would be possible. |
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 1:28pm |
I think you're right about team racing- although 2 boat would be better as essentially 'last boat loses' is easier to follow- even for sailors! There's a theory that team racing doesn't work in fast boats. I've certainly believed that in the past, but I wonder what would happen if we put that to the test.... foiling moths, two boat team racing? Hell, I'd watch it for comedy value, especially if crashes were part and parcel of it. You are right about complex sports still attracting viewers - the indoor snow domes were rammed this winter (too busy for us 'regulars' ) All thanks to the boardercross, slope style and freestyle skiing.... judging from the commentary they messed up a bit until Aimee Fuller got in there to clear a few technical terms up. It mattered not one jot, there were plenty of kids inspired to learn and take up the sport who wouldn't have known a cab from a fakie... but then that's got a bit of different image to billionaires and 72 foot carbon catamarans.
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PeterG
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 1:54pm |
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two boat team racing?
Is that something different from match racing? There's a theory that team racing doesn't work in fast boats. The America's cup did make me rethink my views on that one a bit. I was a lot more interesting than I had expected it to be. However, I do think in terms of pure tactical match racing slower boats would have been better. But, there is no doubt that it made good TV, and that I guess it really the real test - at least in terms of this thread.
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kneewrecker
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 2:15pm |
more action, more dynamic maybe? It forces the intensity away from being first across the line, to not being last.... I dunno, like you, the AC changed my perspective about fast boats being bad viewing. I wonder if that perception shift can be extended??? (I'm feeling open minded this morning, I'm sure it will change tomorrow)
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Rupert
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 2:57pm |
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2 boats per team, Peter.
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PeterG
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 3:40pm |
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2 boats per team, Peter
Ah, yes! I thought he meant 2 teams of 1 boat each
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JohnJack
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Posted: 08 Jul 14 at 8:29pm |
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Problem with fast boats is they are to prone to mistakes. A single error can mean a big, possibly irretrievable loss. Think we saw one or two in the AC which was basically race over for the crew making the mistake.
I think speed is a little irrelevant for team racing, as long as the boats a nimble and agile enough to be thrown around. It would be more entertaining watching crews fight each other rather than the boat they are sailing. Guessing that why Fireflies have been popular.But would have something that can carry weight better, even make it weight adjusted, so helm and crews + ballast if needed would have to be at least a certain weight (iGRF would like this). American collages do team racing in modified 420/470 without kite and trap Could you simplify rules?? Icon could do worse than promote it self as a team racing boat |
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Chris 249
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Posted: 09 Jul 14 at 9:52am |
It seems to vary enormously depending on where you live. I spent most of my life on Sydney Harbour, and both locals and tourists love the idea of getting out on it on a yacht. I'm always surprised how much non-sailors love getting out on the harbour and how little notice they take of the 18 Foot Skiffs and foiler Moths. Picnic sailing is what initally attracts most people, IMHO, and when dinghy sailing promoted that it did well. I think you're right about sailing speeds - compared to land sports or powered sports just about everything is slow. Even Sailrocket is slower than the world women's (recumbent) bicycle record, and as racing cyclists you and I could spend a lot of time quicker than an AC72 on downhills. Actually I'll leave that to you, I'm a wimp downhill and we have too many 'roos to hit on our descents! It's complex, isn't it! What narks me is the dorks who think that promoting sailing is as simple as showing vids of fast boats.
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