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    Posted: 17 Jun 14 at 11:51am
With the current difficulties being experienced by the Laser Class, and all the recent modifications now allowed, even in this strictest of 'one design' classes, as a potential new owner, I am confused as to where to turn to for up to date information.
The main suppliers do not do themselves any favours. The big retailers seem no clearer than I am. Rooster is wonderful, but are the Rooster parts legal to use in Championships?
There simply does not appear to be a website that offers any true clarification regarding all the latest tweaks.
I feel that if the Class Association or somebody else for that matter, does not try to offer some guidance through this rather muddy minefield of upgrades, then the class is in real danger of fragmenting into 'class legal'  and 'other' Lasers, if it has not already done so.
Current owners need to protect their investments, and they certainly need to be aware that the RS Aero is a major threat. If I bought an Aero, I would have a boat that was easier to sail, didn't need to be tweaked, and is a very good price, so I wouldn't have to worry about the legality or otherwise of any changes.

Can anybody shed any clarification on Legal Laser Upgrades?
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No, Rooster parts are not legal for *any* racing. The best place to go is the ISAF website, which contains the official current Laser rules.
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Rooster 'replacement' parts aren't class legal, but  this page has class legal stuff that covers most of the 'tweaks':
 
Rooster tillers are also legal (as are other 'non-laser' brands)


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Depends what you mean my *legal*.  If your club has assigned an handicap to a laser with a rooster replica sail (that may well be the same as a standard laser handicap) then its 'legal' to race it.  Similar if your club may well have a class that allows lasers with replicate sails to race together with ones with laser supplied sails.  Replica parts mean the boat is out of class for laser racing according to official laser rules (as used at opens and championships) but may clubs to not race lasers according to the official rules.   If this is a good thing or not has already bee debated at length on this forum. 
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Andy K,
 
have you looked at the RYA/Paul Goodison Laser Book?
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Originally posted by JimC

No, Rooster parts are not legal for *any* racing. The best place to go is the ISAF website, which contains the official current Laser rules.

Not strictly true but I do agree that reading the current class rules is a good starting point.

The Tiller and Extension are free on manufacturer as long as they comply with the specification set out in the class rules. Rooster make one of the best Laser carbon tiller and extensions on the market for the boat. I had one on my boat for the majority of my Laser sailing career and would highly recommend them.

All other parts must be builder supplied and stamped with the Laser stamp (or have the button and correct label with regards to sails).

The only other exceptions I can think of are:

1) The fairleads for the traveller, boom (and cunningham if you have a classic rigged boat) which must either be all metal or all plastic (the ones with the stainless re-inforcing are not permitted). 

2) The hard metal eye on the boom (unless you have a soft strap, this is free but must use the existing holes I seem to recall) 

3) The jamming cleats for the traveller and outhaul (on the boom), these must be a specific model by Camcleat (the part number escapes me at present and I could be wrong on this but I know some guys in the US came unstuck when they had a different model of lceat the the NA champs a few years ago).

4) Any blocks are permitted in control lines (except the kicker bottom fitting which must be builder supplied). The restriction here is on the number of pieces of rope and total number of turning points that are allowed.

5) The deck cleats (if fitted) and the cleats for the control lines are free (as long as the control line cleats fit on the builder supplied base).

Remember the golden rule of the Laser rule set is:

If the rules do not explicitly say something is permitted then it is not.

If you are unsure you can contact various measurers for their opinion but they may refer you to the class measurer if they are unsure as only he can make a definitive ruling.
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There is quite a lot of information from the previous measurer on his website http://www.deadrock.co.uk/laser/measure/index.htm though some of that may be out of date now
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Originally posted by jeffers



I do agree that reading the current class rules is a good starting point.

1) The fairleads for the traveller, boom (and cunningham if you have a classic rigged boat) which must either be all metal or all plastic (the ones with the stainless re-inforcing are not permitted). 



Paul,

Your response is very helpful and largely accurate.

Totally agree that reading the up to date class rules is the best starting point.
LINK; http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules

Trivial mistake by an experienced Laser helm that just demonstrates Andy K's point in OP;
Rule (part2) 3.b.vii
"The plastic cunningham fairlead may be replaced with one of the same type which has a stainless steel insert, and has the same screw hole positions."
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Originally posted by Andymac

Originally posted by jeffers



I do agree that reading the current class rules is a good starting point.

1) The fairleads for the traveller, boom (and cunningham if you have a classic rigged boat) which must either be all metal or all plastic (the ones with the stainless re-inforcing are not permitted). 



Paul,

Your response is very helpful and largely accurate.

Totally agree that reading the up to date class rules is the best starting point.
LINK; http://www.laserinternational.org/rules/classrules

Trivial mistake by an experienced Laser helm that just demonstrates Andy K's point in OP;
Rule (part2) 3.b.vii
"The plastic cunningham fairlead may be replaced with one of the same type which has a stainless steel insert, and has the same screw hole positions."

That is a new one on me.....been a while since I read them to be fair. Not that many 'race rigged' boats will have a cunningham fairlead these days as most (that are raced regularly) have been converted over to the XD style controls.
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Best not to convert "potential new owner" to "actual new owner" in my opinion, for your outlay on a new L*ser there are plenty of alternatives that should offer decent racing, residual value, far greater comfort while racing and tweak-ability.  Of course, if you plan to be at the Olympics, then that's different...

Edited by getafix - 17 Jun 14 at 3:42pm
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