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    Posted: 03 Jun 14 at 2:46pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac

It could be done, and I have the germ of an idea, but need to check exactly how the Alto is currently set up to see if it can easily be adapted.  I'll have a look next time I'm at the club.


Erm, mine might not be like those Alto's at your club, I've moved things around that often I can't even remember where the wing wang control was, I think it was set up so the crew did it but I like to make the call wether to wing or wang, so the controls are now back at the helm. Hence why I want a single pull option one way or the other, no having to reach over and uncleat the downwind side.

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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

It could be done, and I have the germ of an idea, but need to check exactly how the Alto is currently set up to see if it can easily be adapted.  I'll have a look next time I'm at the club.


Erm, mine might not be like those Alto's at your club, I've moved things around that often I can't even remember where the wing wang control was, I think it was set up so the crew did it but I like to make the call wether to wing or wang, so the controls are now back at the helm. Hence why I want a single pull option one way or the other, no having to reach over and uncleat the downwind side.

Could you not do something where the wing wang adjust is continuous at the cleating points so there is only 1 piece of rope to grab. Might make cleating/uncleating a little fiddly but with vertical cleats near the back of the case it might work (or 2 spinlock type cleats).
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Could something similar to the Merlin Rocket square hoop traveller arrangment work, where when you pull the mainsheet fall to windward on the track, it automatically uncleats the other side and cleats on the new side. Now that would give you an excuse to look at your favourite class of boat!!

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Originally posted by MattK

I sailed a swallow once which had a traveller that did what you want, the top of the traveller car could rock back and forth, so as the tension came on one side when you pulled the line it uncleated the other due to the angle change, but then settled flat so both were cleated when not in motion, i believe it was a custom job, but what you want is possible, i have seen it in reality

That sounds like a harken windward sheeting traveller. Standard off the shelf bit of kit.

My solution to this problem would be something along the lines of a Merlin Rocket mainsheet hoop where they have that short traveller that is released by the mainsheet cleat swivel remotely pulling the traveller line out of the cleat. Cunning in its simplicity!
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

It could be done, and I have the germ of an idea, but need to check exactly how the Alto is currently set up to see if it can easily be adapted.  I'll have a look next time I'm at the club.


Erm, mine might not be like those Alto's at your club, I've moved things around that often I can't even remember where the wing wang control was, I think it was set up so the crew did it but I like to make the call wether to wing or wang, so the controls are now back at the helm. Hence why I want a single pull option one way or the other, no having to reach over and uncleat the downwind side.

So long as you haven't changed the initial tackle arrangement directly acting on the pole my check at the club should not be in vain. I envisage you ending up with one line for port winging, one for starboard wanging and one (new) one for centering, which is what you want, right?
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I need to get you pics of what I have which is a continuous rope linking both sides of the wingwang and acting on separate blocks on either side, currently also cleated on either side.

Merlinism is heresy.

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Sounds promising. Can you also check the length of rope movement on one side between fully winged and and fully wanged, please.
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Would it be possible to us one of these (http://www.pinbax.com/index.asp?selection=detailed&uid=35682&cg=7&mc=74&cct=4&sc=325) on a swivel in the middle of the boat or just a pair of swivel cleats?
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You're a funny ol' stick iGRF. 

In order to function you have to uncleat the downwind side then pull on the upwind side and cleat it off. You (I) then forget to cleat the downwind side, later on you gybe, pole collapses to leeward and is very difficult to haul back underway. 

One do it all cleat would solve all that. Uncleat pull one way then cleat, next tack uncleat pull the other way. 

Actually come to think of it I may have thought of another flaw in the suggestion when needing the pole to be centred.

So symmetric kites are totally yesterday and far too complicated then. Go classic Man, heave ho the ironmongery in the bow, trash the tackle on the wing wang. Spiro launch or mast hoop, all you need is a half hour lesson from a Merlin sailor and you'll be sorted.  Smile Wink
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If this young gentleman struggles with winging his wang then pole uphauls and downhauls may be beyond him....not to mention adjusting his twinnies.......
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