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Poll Question: how long will the mighty kneewrecker keep the new d-zeri before decidi
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    Posted: 30 May 14 at 12:10am
I know that this is a bit cruel on jimbo, but knowing his previous record, comments on another thread, and of course trying reverse psychology to get him to keep Dan's finest bit of design, how long do you think that he will keep the boat before complaining that spreadsheet racing isn't for him? This is of course just for fun.

Mark, if you wish to call this online bullying and delete the thread without recourse please do so
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I am going to stick my neck out here and say 5 years plus

I think that after a lifetime of searching he has, at last, found true love    That's not to say that he won't either trade it in or sell it and buy a newer D-Zero in the course of time..... After all there is the Masters fleet to consider when he gets old(er) and wrinkly(er)!

OH! It's called a D-Zero, that's what you get for having fat fongers

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Reckon a year or so, he stuck out the Soslow for that long? And I think GRF gave up on the 100 first?
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No Rodney, it's what happens when you have fat fingers and several glasses of wine and an over zealous auto correct on your phone....

I sincerely hope jimbo does keep the d-zero a very long time. It's a fantastic and serious looking boat that deserves a great shot at making it amongst the dinghy park detritus. If only I could be arsed to lose enough weight equivalent to igrf I would probably get one.
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Originally posted by rodney

I am going to stick my neck out here and say 5 years plus

I think that after a lifetime of searching he has, at last, found true love    That's not to say that he won't either trade it in or sell it and buy a newer D-Zero in the course of time..... After all there is the Masters fleet to consider when he gets old(er) and wrinkly(er)!

OH! It's called a D-Zero, that's what you get for having fat fongers

I guess in life finding the right boat is like finding the right dog, a companion for life, and that makes a D-Zero a black Labrador Smile
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I am going to suggest he will keep it.  Jimbo changes boats because previously he is sold an image, promise, perception.   The 100 was meant to be some kind of big fleet world beater (he isn't the only one who has bailed) the solo he bought for local fleet racing (we all told him he was too fat for it...we were right) the Vareo fell to bits, the phantom he sold as like it or not when you won in one people pointed at you and said it was the handicap (they were right) the cherub...stupid idea.

The ideal boat up until recently for Jimbo was a laser! It can sit and rot for 45 weekends of the year and he can pull it out of the nettles to trudge round a lake when he feels like it, with brilliant residuals, zero maintained etc.  However we all know he thinks they are sh*t boxes.  So when a modern, faster, more pimp version appears! Bingo perfect, not to mention at its current price is very cheap.  His previous boats would of had an almost £10k (not all but nearly) weight sat on top of his concious. (Not sailing depreciating)so he sells, at £5500 I dare say he can afford to let that sit there.  Not to mention the fact the boat is useable in any uk sailing location.


So I say, give fat lad a break.  He was sold dreams and marketing ideals.
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He'll keep it right up until the minute we meet on the start line both in the same boat and he gets to witness the divided cheek wetsuit climbing inexorably away from him up wind and then again when it laps him..
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If the 'perfect' boat, car, house, wife, husband was produced would we keep it, him, her forever or would our mind wander into other possibilities? I think it would. This D Zero thingy looks pretty good to me and if I was as wealthy as the rest of you I might buy one to 'see me out'. But then I said that about a BMW I owned a few years ago. My wife seemed a good life time investment forty odd years ago but I have been searching (unsuccessfully) for an updated version since about 1980. We will always desire change or advancement. If all our dreams are fulfilled we have nothing to turn to except  drugs.
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when you come from Essex, you understand it's impossible to be bullied by someone who doesn't like Stella.... 

As for the D-Zero, and boats in general, it all comes down to whether they deliver on expectation.  If they don't, I see very little reason to work through the hard times- it's a lump of plastic, not a marriage and I've nothing to prove to anyone, not through leisure activities anyway.   I've had my main boat for 5 years now, I scrubbed it at the weekend and despite not using it much, it still delivers on everything I expect from it.  Even the engine started on first pull.    

Now, here's the rub.... expectations can change.  It's the reason I sold my MPS, we had a child on the way.  Compared to most blokes in the same position, at least I kept sailing.  But Russ's right, I didn't much like the Phantom that replaced it, the same as some people don't like rice... 2 billion Chinese people can't be wrong.  Besides who'd like a bowl of rice when they've been feasting on Sailing Foie Gras with its amazing power and blistering downwind speed, not to mention the convivial and welcoming restaurant that made it so accessible, if you could take the time to dine with them?    

Anyway, metaphor aside, there was an emerging fleet of RS300s and it's very easy to see greener grass, and it was greener, so green the glare blinded me when the 'promised asymmetric' came along- two of them in fact and boy, didn't they deliver a great sh*t fight.... one of the best wouldn't you say?

I'll leave you to make up your own mind on whether the RS100 'project' has delivered or not, either way the recent nationals attendance would show me that even if I wanted to continue sailing asymmetric hiking boats, there really is only one option left.  It comes to something when you look at the results and work out that simply finishing half the races would have been enough to crown you a National Champ... sorry, but there are some people who should never expect to get an invite to the Endeavour.... I'm one of them. 

Jump forward a couple of years, which included 18 months off dinghies, and I got a Solo.    I enjoyed my Solo most of the time.  it's a well sorted boat and the rules are tight and they work to deliver great racing at club, local, regional, national and international level.  However dinghy sailing is a light wind activity for me these days, and I'm underpowered in a Solo in those conditions.  Getting ghosted offwind was frustrating, however if I had sailed it more regularly, or took it to some windier, coastal opens, then the law of averages would have worked it all out I'm sure.  But in truth, am I ready for the Solo just yet?  No, not really, not if there is something newer and nicer that I could help a little bit, but get a lot out of.  The Solo remains a reliable option for when a) I'm too old to windsurf or b) I retire and want a nice boat to sail locally and at a few events.

I'll be honest, I had intended to switch back to the RS300 or a Finn as soon as I sold my Solo.  After 10 years of trying different boats, unstayed unarigs are by far my favourite mode - especially for racing and the tactical options it offers.  I've no shame in sharing that I asked Rodney for a quote on a Finn, and whilst I'm not questioning the value for what the typical customer gets, I would question the value I would get out of one for a wednesday night chariot.  Again, it's something I see more as a goal for early retirement in maybe 10 years, rather than something I want whilst I have a young family and busy office schedule.  If I could predict the future today, as it stands, then the D-Zero will get traded in for one in due course, but as I said, expectations can change.  I don't know where I'll be living in 10 years, never mind what boat will be suitable.

So it was narrowed to a 300.  There's a still a couple left racing at Draycote, and one more, free for others to use if I couldn't make it, seemed like a good way to move on, and help boost the numbers by one in the all-but-dead handicap racing there.   I had a couple of options lined up for the 300 and then something upset the plan.... I learned that the 300 was being discontinued, and for me, investing 8 grand in a new boat when the class has been given its last steak, well, f**k that people.  No way I'm going to be left that out of pocket if it crashes over two seasons like other SMOD fates.  Ironically, (and for balanced opinion) it seems the 300 is having a bit a resurgence- it certainly got a lot more activity and buzz than some other RS classes at their sprints.  Who knows, maybe the BY@Beer can turn it around and shift a few new units over the next few seasons.  I genuinely hope so, it's a great boat and I doubt it will be permanently off my own radar for some years to come.

So I decided to wait and get what was to become the RS Zero/Aero... sit it out over the winter months (no hardship) and windsurf the spring/summer on a longboard.  Get a new boat late summer/early autumn this year.  A few folks knew that, but someone told me to drop Dan a mail first.  I did, I liked what he had to say, I changed plans when I got to see the first photos.... the D-Zero meets many of the same expectations as the Aero for me, but all round I think it's a nicer package and not trying to be all things to all people with the multiple rig 'kiss of death'.  Plus waterline length is king, and it would probably take a fresher mindset than I've currently got to give the Aero the benefit of the doubt on upwind performance.   

Any concerns with the D-Zero?  I had initially thought that the Zero rig would be a little underpowered for me, but sailing a proto at Haversham in light winds has put that idea to bed.  Sure, i could do with shifting a few cags to get the most out of it, but I wasn't suffering too badly either - despite weighing in that morning at 102kg.  There were three of us out there, none of us had sailed them before, I was the one in the lead despite starting last.  Sure, a little snapshot and v. lucky shift, but that's all it takes to get a confidence boost in my book.  

So what are my expectations:

- folks to sail against (ideally in similar paced boats Zeros, Aeros, Rooster 8.1s, OKs, Finns etc)
- a decent build quality
- a nice feeling rig (no more Hyde crap)
- simple sailing, not too techy and tweaky
- easy to get from the roof to the water

I'm changing clubs to ensure that I get some people to sail against.  As for the rest, well I'm as confident as I can be that Devoti will deliver on this.  Confident enough to spend 5 grand anyway.    



 


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So what he really needs is a Finn or the new D 0.5 boat.

Can I change my bet?
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