PY changes for 2014

Originally posted by Puddlebuster Investigate who you choose to be rude to first! I know what I am talking about thanks. I would not have bothered posting if it was just the normal b0>?ocks posted on here.

If you post with a false name, you can hardly expect people to know who you are?

I can understand handicap frustration - I sold the Comet years ago partly because I simply couldn't sail it to handicap, where I could other boats. That has now re-adjusted possibly too far the other way, as the Phantom has downwards, maybe. I guess the results from early season will show us.

However, if the purpose of the boat is mainly class racing, then handicap results are neither here nor there - no point in throwing the baby out with the bath water. If handicap racing is it, and the steed doesn't really matter, then choosing a boat where you feel you get your just desserts is probably a sensible thing to do.

Bullsh1t Bingo

He said Gerrymandering!!!!!!

The point has been adequately made by Jim, the change in numbers makes diddlysquat difference to general results in a club series, it just makes the results a little tighter, which is largely the point of the changes.

If you are getting regularly shafted at your home club, then in accordance with RYA guidelines, your club should look to locally adjust to suit your local conditions. If locally the PY for a Phantom on PYS comes out at 1020 with a low certainty figure then go halfway and shift it to 1010, if you have a high level of certainty then move it all the way.

BUT, in reality it will not make much difference.

One of my boats is taking an 8pt hit this year, great. Just means I have to try a little harder, eliminate some of the smaller mistakes in order to keep winning.

I sort of understand why we get the moaning but if you take part in club sailing for some semi-competitive fun to keep your hand in what does it matter. If you're super competitive then you're big event will be the class nationals and handicaps dont matter a jot.



Edited by craiggo - 28 Feb 14 at 8:03pm

Originally posted by iGRF So how the f**k can any of you defend all this gerrymandering?

Hang on... I know I shouldn't rise to it, but isn't gerrymandering a process for messing with the numbers to obtain a desired result rather than accept the result that come naturally? And isn't that what you've been saying *should* happen? That the PYAG should ignore the numbers that come out of the system and somehow fiddle things so they produce a more "correct" result?

/end thread

(Pork pie, no Stella or Red Wine)

Craiggo, some of us don't give a s..t about series results. To bring together the best boats and crews in the country can only happen with handicap.
Its proving it cant work! Different sizes and different strengths in different boats in different conditions in different locations.
We agree on the fact that class racing is the only way for satisfaction. A good World Championships is better than the Olympics!
The playing field can never be level.
Why bother?