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    Posted: 27 Feb 14 at 11:07am
Originally posted by maxibuddah

What's wrong with paper versions. At least they submitted something. Our club only got a computer a couple of years ago , and Internet only a couple of months ago. Trying to even get people to use the computer to work out the results is a miracle, let alone submitting trace results to a website. God help us all there. The club is full of people who panic when they see a keyboard

yep- most of the duffers in sailing clubs are still impressed by the dial-up download images of Helen Mirren's growler.... there's a long way to go before they start using the internet for anything useful and productive.
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An Annual Round Robin is the answer.

With one boat set as a standard, and all the boats with contentious issues invited to submit their craft with a crew and that crew be capable of switching boats.

Then they get sailed over a weekend in controlled circumstances in the presence of the great and good of the sailing world who know about this stuff.

That way all the anomalies that suggest hidden Agendas would be put to rest.

Until something like that happens there are always going to be nagging doubts about commercial agendas, favouritism, cronyism and all those not very nice things to think about.

Edited by iGRF - 27 Feb 14 at 11:09am
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a wake up call is what's needed.... junk the system, go back to basics.  Copy the NWF formula and all race in the blindingly obvious groupings that are there (if you have the ability to see through the class structure).

Slow
Medium 
Fast

Some boats will flick between groups depending on local variables- e.g. very good sailors in one class might go up a category, boats which suffer in tide drop down, etc....

10 pages in, dinghy sailing needs a bloody revolution against this crap we're being fed by the RYA under the auspices of scientific and statistical accuracy.  It won't happen though.... not until the sport has died off to irrelevance first.

Graeme- as Commodore run an experiment- lose the spreadsheet, just for 6 months.... see if participation and the fun factor is restored?  Don't invest in a new computer and ADSL line, spend club funds on club boat, some beer, some chocolate and some moshi monsters.... then spread the love with best improver category, best sportsmanship on the race course, first across the line, mid fleet mavis, dumbest capsize etc.....  


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Originally posted by maxibuddah

What's wrong with paper versions. At least they submitted something. Our club only got a computer a couple of years ago , and Internet only a couple of months ago. Trying to even get people to use the computer to work out the results is a miracle, let alone submitting trace results to a website. God help us all there. The club is full of people who panic when they see a keyboard


Maxi how does your club work out the series results?
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

What's wrong with paper versions.

The problem at WSC was that we just used to return a list of the official numbers, because that's what we used.  The only effect that could have had was to damp changes
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Well I will no longer have to concern myself about the Supernovas catching me up whilst sailing the National 12 in our Sunday Morning Pursuit Race.
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Someone works out the series using sailwave but only inputs the actual finishing positions I think, after correction. At least I assume that's what they do as some ro's still seem to produce the individual race results by hand.

I've even written a fool proof step by step guide on how to use sailwave for the club. "it's a computer, bad thing that, what's wrong with hand calcs like we always did it, blooming technology taking over", etc, etc, etc. They cannot quite comprehend that it is easier to use sailwave, it is just that it takes a little learning.....

We do normally only have 10-15 boats out so maybe they just can't see the point of putting some effort in to it.
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Not surprising the N12's handicap has been hit - over the last 3 years there have been some big changes in the leading designs, which somehow have filtered down fairly quickly. Doesn't help the designs which haven't changed, of course, but then the same applies to many one design classes, where the older boats can't keep up with the new, but all sail off the same number. 
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Originally posted by The Moo

Well I will no longer have to concern myself about the Supernovas catching me up whilst sailing the National 12 in our Sunday Morning Pursuit Race.

Very true, 12s have been hit hard( that's development classes for you). 
On the other hand, it doesn't matter so much about the supernova, as none of us are going to catch David in his comet!  LOL
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Blimey, I'd not noticed that. When I sailed them, I think it was on 1171, same as the Firefly at the time. Now on nearly 1200. Mind, I couldn't get near handicap back then - it is a pretty small boat.
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