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    Posted: 26 Feb 14 at 5:13pm
Good to see the Blaze down by 6, Graeme always said it was a bandit.
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Phantom down another 10, 'they've' certainly got it in for that class, honestly talk about being just downright vindictive, who are these people?

It really is a disgrace. I wonder if you could actually sue the RYA? Give them something to make their eyes water, it seriously is time this nonsense was ended.

What ever this is, fairness has nothing to do with it, nor has the performance of the actual craft.

There really does need to be a counter system based on technical facts, look at the Streaker Solo thing, they've had their difference for years, now they're the same, based on random bollox.

I'm not even going to start on the poor old Alto at 912 and the EPS unchanged again.

Hell it does make you mad
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Posts: 1314 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 14 at 5:36pm
The experimental number for the Icon is pretty quick (969), must have been some good racing last year.

Nothing else seems very controversial an not really enough to make much of a difference in reality.
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Posts: 1094 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Bootscooter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 14 at 5:43pm
912 for the Alto??

Mind you, we started with 925 a year ago, but at the SailJuice we were given 910 and still managed to be competitiveish (having learnt to sail it better), so maybe it's not too far off...
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Posts: 6499 		Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 14 at 5:48pm
It was 935 originally, and we used to struggle with that on certain courses against the 505 with it's full size jib upwind against our self tacker then off wind they used to break out the monster kite on the deep soaking reaches and runs, only when it was full planing breezy did we get chance.

So, the Icon 969, against the Merlin at 990? Same sort of size, sail plan except one has two and the other three sails, the other way round would probably be nearer the truth, hell the Icon wasn't exactly having it away at 1020, who are these people and what axes are they grinding?

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Blast. Albacore down to 1050. That means that the good sailor we bought this modern Albacore from, who now has a new YW Dayboat with a bandit PY of 1200 now has to be beaten by seven and a half minutes in an hour's race!

Delighted to see Shearwater S.C. on the returns list probably for the very first time. Well done to Chris, the sailing sec and commiserations on his 1946 Merlins having just got another 4 points faster. At least he, us and RogerD have all gone down by the same amount.

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The RYA/Sailracer site is suggesting 903 for the Altos at WSC.  Initially it was 895 (tho' we used 915 till now and they still filled the first 4 places at the Regatta, ahead of two European Champions in the IC's).

The L3k is now a bandit on on 1058 - I always thought 1032 was about right.  Logically, that should put the V3k on 1033 now, as one kg is worth about one point on the 3k design, but we V's will be stuck on 976 at WSC.

Biggest controversy for us at WSC is going to be the Wayfarer going up 11 to 1112.  The Hartley Mk IV's already dominate the Medium Hhandicap Fleet
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903? Got nobody in 505's up there then? They'll show Alto's a clean pair of heels in most circumstances.

The RS 500 at 975 can also give them a run for their money with anyone half decent crewing it.

Agreed the L3k is now a confirmed bandit, makes you wonder who these people are and do they even race stuff?
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Icon is a bit draconian .. ouch !  we must have really annoyed a few crusties out there !!  Well then it is now 'official' well 'experimental' at least and it will swing back in time for sure when more club results are considered fully.    I'd love to see the calcs used (wet fingers ?) as we have over 300 races worth here from a range of locations and conditons which must have been overlooked.  Yes we run the numbers as well....

Currently and by a country mile then it must simply be the fastest 2 sail, 2 person production hiker in the world - bar none -  and the obvious 'giant' killer to be seen in ... apparently seeing off Merlins, many asymetrics, Fireballs etc etc - yes you name it and all without a spinnaker or hiking aids and on a simple platform that can be driven by mere club mortals as well.   Well we must have got a lot of the design right !  ... the 'less is more' argument of course.

Now just suppose we did try out a modest asymetric in 2014 !    969 could then even be possible ! Anyway what the heck just come and see the association stand at the Show this weekend.  You might even want an Icon as well now .... and be able to afford one  ;-)

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Streaker down another 7!? That might actually make the handicap somewhere near what it should be! ;)
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