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    Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Drylander

I don't understand why GRF seems to have a downer on the Merlin,


Some history then.. Over the years I've been sailing against a couple of pals with whom we're pretty evenly matched, although we've tended to sail Assyms, to their Sym, we had an L3k, they had a Laser 2, we had an RS500 they had a 470, we had the Alto, they had a 505, and although due to the nature of our triangle sausage courses which tend to favour Syms, they would come out on top as often as not, we still had some great racing and alternating positions, then they got the Merlin - game over, can't get near them unless circumstances are extreme (drifter or very light offshore shifty), it's a Bandit plain and simple, it sails to 950 beats an RS400 very easily, that's why, so it is always the butt of jokes to that end...It's light and riddled with carbon yet uses a handicap from an old wooden clunker.. What do you expect if you cheat? Smiles and respect, or derision and calls of BS?

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I don't understand why GRF seems to have a downer on the Merlin, I sail one which had a PY of 1024 when I got it, still the same boat and now has to sail off 994. I have got older and slower much like the boat but the PY still keeps dropping. This is mainly due I think to the quality of the sailers at the front end of the fleet with a large amount of the counties top sailers choosing to compete in what has become one of the strongest fleets about. As most of the top jockey's don't do a lot of handicap racing I don't suppose they are too bothered anyway.
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try the Classes button on the Y&Y site - all your questions answered. But yes, it is a small Wayfarer.
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Originally posted by Telltale

Are we allowed personal vendetta's ? Here is an interesting trend for Mr Fuller.
<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;">2008 WANDERER<span style="font-family: Times;"> </span>1132 


<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;">2010 WANDERER 1139 


<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;">2012 WANDERER 1144


<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;">2013 WANDERER 1150

<p style="margin: 0px 0px 12px; line-height: normal; font-family: Helvetica;">I wonder what this years will be????

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Wanderer? Wtf is a wanderer, I've never heard of one, is it like a Wayfarer only a tad mentally unstable..?
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The timing was discussed, not for the first time. The majority of clubs still seem to start and end their years when the clocks change. Issues with pushing the publication date earlier include that yhe closing date for returns goes back into the previous summer series, and the period when all the admin is done would hit December, which isn't the easiest month to get a bunch of volunteers together.
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I'd raise a glass if that Merlin had 40 lopped off...
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Originally posted by gordon1277

The Phantom to go back to 1047 (as it was when I first bought one)and prove it was all a horrible mistake the drop to 1012.
Now I am not sailing a very tired wood boat with needlespar rig that might be a little unfair!
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This is perfectly reasonable for a 'classic' Phantom and we do have criteria for this at Hunts. When they raced as a fleet though it was boat on boat.

(I know your tongue was firmly in your cheek but there are a fair few older boats still out there sailing).
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The Phantom to go back to 1047 (as it was when I first bought one)and prove it was all a horrible mistake the drop to 1012.
Now I am not sailing a very tired wood boat with needlespar rig that might be a little unfair!
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Originally posted by Time Lord

What I want to know is why we have to wait until the beginning of March to get these figures / guesses? The RYA appears to be stuck in the era when one didn't put one's boat in the water until after Easter! For many, the new season starts at the beginning of March.

Many clubs don't actually stop sailing over the winter these days......

At Hunts we have 2 weekends of no racing where we have work parties at the end of February but aside from that we sail all year round. Often getting our biggest turnouts for the Winter series.
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Originally posted by Time Lord

What I want to know is why we have to wait until the beginning of March to get these figures / guesses? The RYA appears to be stuck in the era when one didn't put one's boat in the water until after Easter! For many, the new season starts at the beginning of March.

And for my final contribution, the PN numbers are biased towards sea sailing / large open water clubs where you have a chance of sailing any boat nearer to its predicated handicap performance on the long legs used whereas us on inland round the cans with the multitude of windshifts on each leg have little chance to reach this ideal.



Most of the Data comes from inland clubs so by it's very nature it's generally more accurate for them. Tide and waves are the factors that make the figures an issue on coastal venues.
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