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jeffers 
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 Topic: PY changes for 2014Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:05am |
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Well it is that time of year again, the dinghy show approaches and (I assume) the new PY lists will be published?
Anyone (who is not on the inside) have any predictions as to what will dominate the club bar talk for the next 12 months?......
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iGRF
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:23am |
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It'll be wrong, favour inland sailing and still have no basis in fact?
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yellowwelly
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:30am |
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my predictions:
- it will more statistically accurate than last year - it will cause some minor controversy, but a quick calculation on the ET using current and 2014 numbers will show little to no bearing on results - someone will suggest an IRC/SCHRS style dinghy system should be implemented - that person will use the word 'gerrymandering' before this thread is out - actual participation in dinghy sailing will continue to decline
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iGRF
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:40am |
ftfy Edited by iGRF - 25 Feb 14 at 11:41am |
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scotsfinn
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:45am |
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Oh dear, I hope your afternoon is a happier one.
 It is going to be a great dinghy show, everyone will "see the light" that racing dinghies is fun and a wholesale return to the sport will miraculously occurr. Nobody will care that their handicap has altered because there are so many boats racing it'll be virtually one design for every class (except lasers as the court case will mean no more will be built and what is left will be on foils!) Had a great idea .... wouldn't it be great if we got an IMS style handicap for dinghies to stop all the gerrymandering that goes on with the PY system!  Think that covers all YW's points in a single pointless post. Have a nice (and optimisitic) day and enjoy the dinghy show if you're going
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Blue One
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:54am |
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Nice to see yellowwelly has cut to the chase. Now no need for 30 pages of crap!
This is now a dead thread, it is deceased, it is no more.
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Rupert
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 11:56am |
They are based exactly on fact (race returns), and will favour inland sailing if more returns are sent in by inland clubs. As no club has enough handicap racing to get statistically viable returns, alterations at club level will still result in crew skill and boat suitability for the water being penalized, and lack of alteration will cause "bandit" accusations, so club politics will still blight the system. As usual, too few clubs will send returns, making it hard for any data (say sea returns) to be split out and actually have validity. |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 12:07pm |
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Surely the majority of bigger clubs have now signed up to the RYA/Sailracer weekly returns scheme http://www.pys.org.uk/auto/new_default.asp (I would hope)
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2547
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 12:23pm |
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I hear the Merlin will actually be cut 40 ...
Ant that the Moth PY will be wind speed dependant to deal with foiling Edited by 2547 - 25 Feb 14 at 12:24pm |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 25 Feb 14 at 12:50pm |
Cue controversy every race, not least because wind speeds can vary hugely with location and time over the course of a race.
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